I got dropped a link to a funny post today by @Kingscrown, who whined about getting some flags by calling those who were flagging him "nonames", as if he is a "somename". It is funny how some people seem to think that getting votes makes them important. What is also interesting is how many times "KC" talks about all the followers he has (30,000), yet generally struggles to get more than a couple comments on most of his posts - many of them spammers and automated (on Steem).
For all the time I have been around this community, there are a handful of people I never really understood why they got any support at all - he being one. He is close to the highest earner on the blockchain for 4 years consistently, yet has powered down nearly everything he has ever received, he has multiple alts he self-votes and has his circle trail vote also and, he is constantly dropping links and begging for votes whenever he can - including in memos. He is kind of - everything that is wrong with the community rolled into one - perhaps the anti-thesis of what Hive should aim for.
But, calling people "nonames" is a little much - unless you are referring to the artist @nonameslefttouse, who may very well have his friends call him nonames.
Now, I am no stranger to flags, but I think that in all the times I have received one, I have never retaliated - I see it as bad form - especially for someone who earns well on average consistently for posting crypto news that is a poor rewording of other crypto news, and screen shots of coinmarketcap saying - "look at the price" and shilling all kinds of crap with hidden references behind links. Bad form.... Bad grammar.
Anyway, that is enough about Kingscrown - @kingsmind, @sock, @bigdaddy... and likely countless other alts he selfvotes and powers down constantly.
I sometimes wonder what some of the crypto people actually do with their earnings and trades, as it seems based on the talk, they should be literally rolling in crypto, yet many don't seem to be able to put their money where their mouth is so to speak. At least, a lot of their actions don't seem to indicate success - it is more desperation - chasing every penny.
"I've been in crypto since 2013 - but I really need another dollar on my post.
Perhaps it is just the behavior of many crypto traders, maximize, maximize, maximize - no matter whether there is a community now. Remember that Bitcoin doesn't have the same kind of community as Hive, it is pretty much all in it for themselves no matter who else is in the game, as no one really knows anyone else.
This is different on Hive as there is a community of people who know each other and that makes a difference as social habits play a much larger role in all facets of interaction, with generally, the most socially aware having a better time of it than those who are socially blind.
Maximizers are generally socially blind and I wonder what would have happened to them if they had lived during tribal times. Would a tribal community continually support a member who only did what maximized themselves, even if it was at the expense of others in the tribe? How long would that kind of behavior be tolerated?
I think that social awareness is something that we should increasingly be paying attention to as for the last few decades we have moved toward individualism far too far and lost connection with our social needs. We try and fill the holes with entertainment and fast consumption, but can never consume enough or be entertained forever.
I believe that over the last few weeks with the Corona lockdowns, more people are becoming aware at just how much they miss people, the interaction, the light conversation in the hallway, the randomness of social engagement. At the moment and especially in the working world, the interaction is all scheduled, all engineered - there is no spontaneity of connection - no randomness.
Random is the gateway to discovery and evolution, and without it, we miss a great deal of opportunity. I know that people seem to love Tinder as they can get easy sex, but I will let you in on a secret, easy to get is rarely valuable.
You know that saying, "It's how you get there that counts" ? The journey of uncertainty in relationships is highly attractive and the process from start to finish is far more enjoyable than any sure thing - but then, perhaps that depends on the person. I guess many people prefer certainty over volatility - and of course, most fear failure - and rejection.
But like I said, easy to get isn't valued and I suspect it is because it doesn't seem scarce. For example, a lot of the people who have always earned easily no matter what effort they don't put in, generally seem to be the ones who sell frequently. While those who have worked hard for it on or off chain, tend to cherish and hold what they have. There is likely a gratitude component to it also - as well as sunk cost factors.
I am hoping that at some future point, community takes precedence again except it is able to be scaled to include billions of us operating together, in a decentralized manner. An enormous community of many communities, all functioning autonomously and together simultaneously. I am hoping that in that future, the wealthiest among us aren't the ones who maximize themselves at the cost of others, it is those who do the most for the community and in turn get value returned to them.
It is a strange paradox, as we want people to add value to the community - but often reward those who do not - I think this happens more in the real world than on Hive, as at least here, there is transparency and, some checks and balances.
I don't know about you, but I don't mind being a "noname" on Hive - maybe if we spent more effort on the nonames in the world, resource distribution would be better and go to those who not only are grateful for it, but are also willing to use it to spread forward to others, rather than just maximize themselves.
Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]
As long as people like @kingscrown are associated with this blockchain we will never succeed. They are dead weight pulling us down. There are others like him too, dead weights. But I prefer to do one job at a time. Let us boot him for good and we will deal with the next one.
They have nothing to give, but everything to take from us. I propose we downvote everything from KC until he leaves the platform. I do not see him changing ways, as I have requested that for months to him personally.
In addition I am requesting people not to upvote him or worry about him taking out the witness vote. I am also requesting any real person who proxies his witness vote to @kingscrown, please take the proxy away.
I'd be fine with him staying if he changed his ways, but I don't think he can.Perhaps he has a gambling addiction?
Me too, but like you said he is not capable. I tried this for 4-5 months... gently by being nice to him... I have hours worth of DMs. But in vain....
I don't understand how some people don't seem to even have an idea about this.
We as a species are too self-centered Taraz.
I hope it will change in time, but I do not have hopes I will see it.
Same, he's welcome to stay, but if he's such a big shot bitcoin OG, he can sack up and start acting like one, and not some pathetic parasite.
In all the time I have been here, I have never seen him sack up.
Hmm. I see where you are coming from but i have no problem with @kingscrown staying. He just needs to be pressured via downvotes to cut the bullshit. We managed that with a bunch of other farmers much worse then him, should be pretty easy here as well.
He found a way to benefit himself greatly, if stake holders dont like it, downvotes exist for that exact purpose.
Besides calling people "nonames" (which is a poor insult folks are taking out of proportion) i havent seen him do much else.
You dont like what he does, use the downvote.
I agree. That is exactly we are doing.
That dude was on a downvote frenzy with our food fight account for awhile, about a month. I reached out to him in both public and private and he never even responded.
Nice article @tarazkp. This song mixes well with it.
Yeah, he doesn't mind downvoting and has downvoted me also from time to time - mostly, he is a sad, lonely little man.
I'm assuming it's a typo, but you're talking about who's important on the chain and didn't mention me at all.
Like, not even slightly.
I blame the ghost writer - brilliant writer, not overly intelligent.
I quit.
Finally! I can find another without feeling bad! :D
A lot of people are piling on kingscrown right now and that's not in a vacuum, but in the interests of fairness I have followed him for a while and many of his posts are informed and insightful news about cryptocurrency. He still brings value to Hive. Let's just be fair to people and try not to drive them away entirely.
I have heard the same from many people, but I have also witnessed some terrible behavior from him.
And to be fair, I am not bandwagoning, I have spoken out against him before and directly with him.
Since you probably can, have a look at all the associated accounts and their shared posting keys. At least on Steem about a year ago, it was looking very dodgy indeed.
I don't see the malice you see in those accounts. I see a goofy account, a now-defunct personal thought account, and a personal life account.
And while he does vote for himself the most (which I think is normal for a regular daily poster anyway) it's far from a majority of his vote output.
Anyway, he's not solely extracting value from Hive (as we all are). What I see is he's adding more value to it than taking. He is a net positive, like we all should be.
His posts' values are up for adjustment via upvote/downvote just like everyone else's. But ganging up on him and trying to downvote all of his posts to zero seems unfair both for him and Hive.
Meh, he was taking around 90 percent of his own votes on his main, @sock, @bigdaddy and likely others. then there is the outsized retaliation to anyone who does downvote him, and he calls in the trail he also has access to.
I am not so sure if he has been a net positive in the last few years as for the most part, most people don't seem to read his content at all, considering it is often up in the trending areas.
I am yet to flag him, perhaps at all (or for a very long time). The ganging up is mostly a response to his behavior I think.
The amount of cool shit I've discovered just by casually browsing things or going off and exploring away from the beaten track on travelling has been some of thr most rewarding experiences I've had.
Even just casually browsing Hive, if you just have an explore you can see posts that you may not have and learn things. I do like learning and exploring!
It's the random comments you get from people who don't regularly visit that is enough to make a smile.
Can't say I know anything about this guy you mentioned but that type of behaviour sounds like it's something that should be stamped out here and left on HF22 sites.
Anyway, have a great weekend
Yep, the random wander around uncovers a lot of great and surprising stuff - some good, some bad. I like to dig around in the numbers with the limited skill I have, getting some support when I need from those who are more skilled. It is a fun place to get lost :)
Yeah definitely agree with that. Particularly for stats crunchers like us, can easily get lost in those just be prancing around on beeme!
I am hoping TOO...
I asked a question in the new community #Askhive What am I doing to make the HIVE a better place❔❔❔
I will be very grateful if you will demonstrate your example in a new article - your answer.
I am sure that your accumulation of more than 100k HIVE POWER and constant maintenance of the quality of your blog is a huge contribution to the development of HIVE society.
I only just read this, but perhaps I answered a little bit of it :)
Is Kingscrown an anonymous account?
That would be ironic if it was!
I think it is generally anon, I think he is eastern European.
Is he a friend of Dobartim by any chance?
They have at least supported each other ;D
I guess I'm part of the noname club now. If not, is there a registration or something? I want to be in the club. Seems to be the new trend now.
Let the nonames reign!
We are all noname
Noname revolution. I love the connotation. Time to flush out those abusers. I think you have made posts about those abusers in the past, but the community in general didn't mind. I'm glad people are catching up.
Yep, I have posted occasionally about a few. Generally I don't like writing about these things though - as it is soul-sucking.
A downvoter has no name.
Damn, maybe he's afraid that secretly trained shapeshifter assassins are coming after him.
I think it might be his bookie after him - break his knee caps if he doesn't front up with some cash.
Trying to shake off the feeling of loss here.
Reading Yours and @galenkp 's stuff has helped a bit. @janton is MIA due to Miss J putting him in a Steem/Hive time out. But He was on here today commenting and that helped also.
We lost a really good content creator over on You Tube.
Steve Cash was one of the few I would still traffic on that horrible Alphabet/Google owned site to view. Viewed with a BitTube redirector add blocker extension of course. I am as anti GhoulGool as one can be in this virtual, google infected, cyber-pandemic, internets, A.i. apocalypse.
I want to ask You/Galen/maybe a couple others to down vote my Sad-ur-Caturday post around the 6-7 day mark to zero it out on the earnings. Send it back to the reward pool, as it was just meant to be informative and healing, not creative.
Nah, take the earnings on it - post and enjoy life, even in death.
Thanks Taraz....
Wow ,I feel like a numbnut as I did not realize this about KC. Thanks for the heads up. I guess I MUST be more socially aware of things ;) Sincerely my bad !!
He is one of the largest extractors on the both platforms - most people don't seem to pay that much attention to what actually goes on here.
Inspiring and to the point as always.
I see it as the double edged sword of decentralization.
Community and the spirit of true freedom will win out, if we keep that at the heart of our efforts, bad actors play their part as examples, promote quality, support like minded efforts.
Thanks
Peace
There are always going to be forms of abuse and it actually helps with development. But, allowing it so publicly is a strange condition.
I am proud to be a no name.
Something I like about being here is that one doesn't have to "have a name" to be part of the community.
I think people need to think more about the randomness of life, it is what gives us our ups and downs, it is what catches our eyes more than anything else. Even though there are very very few Gremlin Cars on the road, you are going to see it before you see a the standard Ford Truck in the Walmart parking lot. I'm sure every country, every locale has something that they will notice before they notice the normal thing.
Noname down votes, there were a shit load of them on steem block chain, did he care then, nope. Did he try to get the down vote bot army of camillresteemer stopped? nope. He votes himself 30+% on steem, and 20+% on hive, so he is losing nothing.
The randomness of his inaction and inability to take responsibility for his communal actions, he is the victim, not the people he decreases the reward pool from with his self votes. Kind of makes it hard to feel pity for him because of a few noname down voters on his back. But pitiful people are always looking for pity. And his post was pretty pitiful.
Last I checked, it was closer to 95% as he has several alt. Seems he takes the "every token counts" idea a little too extreme.
Most people live in a capitalist way on the blockchain. That's how most societies work and that's what we're used to. We all came for the money, some stayed for the money and I can't blame them.
I mean people vote for them so I guess they can't be totally wrong? Right? RIGHT? What I really mean is I dislike whiners...
Downvotes are part of the system here, so if looking to maximize, it means finding a path through without taking downvotes. That generall means - not being a dick - but many can't help themselves =)
Many of the votes he gets are generally from a trail that I am pretty sure he controls, as they seem to have been AFK for years.
Yes but isn't the downvote pool relatively "new"? Plus downvoting someone like him being a small like me would mean a war I couldn't win. I'm tempted but should I?
Downvoting has always been a thing, but the 2.5 "free" downvotes is new. Downvoting shouldn't be about wars - but people are people.
Yup. Disagreement on reward is a battle that's going to be hard to win ;)
It is true. This is a social platform, so we need to get genuinely social here.
Happy Saturday.
"genuine" is something many seem to miss.
There are users you just know when you leave a comment there is no reply coming back. Reason is they never read them and are more concerned with the next post.
Yeah, he never used to respond unless it was someone with significant stake. over the last few months he has been replying to auto comments as it makes it look like at least he gets some comments :D
Yeah for an abundance technology I'm not seeing a whole lot of abundance attitudes.
Perhaps we'll get there on the next wave.
As you well know most people are really bad with money.
No matter how much some people make they won't save a dime to save themselves from the rat race.
Lot's of gambler's theory here.
Hype up the wins; ignore the losses.
Problem with things like abundance is they require knowledgeable opt-in, otherwise they don't work.
This is a recurring thing with theories, philosophies, concepts Larimer promotes. All an almost perfect thing, if people actually understand them and opt-in.
most will never opt-in - too much risk. Much better to rely on others and then complain about how they treat.
This is what I have mentioned for a couple years in DMs with a couple people. Self-reported "success" is like self-reported dick size - bigger than reality.
Well, i myself might be one of those nonames, doing or adding nothing of value to the community yet. That may be due to my lack of proper skills.
But, one thing i can surely say about myself is im honest and value honesty above everything else.. And same goes for you man. I like how you are honest in your content... Hope i could be like you someday...
Dont bother about these guys... You were and will be here when they will be long gone. Atleast I hope so.. Keep being the best..❤
Lots of down vote trails need following.
I follow a number of them.
Duty of the stakeholder, iyam.
thank you for writing this <3
I don't know about you, but during my period on Steemit and Hive a lot of information about crypto news I discovered because of @kingscrown posts! I even earned some airdrops and sold some coins on high price thanks to his accurate news .
Why you people don't respect someone's everyday effort to inform us? I appreciate all bloggers who has the same activity no matter if STEEM/HIVE is 7 cents or 7$.
Reward him then.