One personal conclusion I have made is that Atheists have far too much Faith for me, to be able to declare that there is no Creator, while breathing.
The Christians are the original Atheists.
In primal cultures, competing tribes would always argue, "our gods are more powerful than your gods".
The Christians changed this to, "your gods don't even exist", "you're all just superstitious idiots".
Atheists believe exactly what the Christians believe regarding the existence of gods, they just happen to believe in one less.
I'm not sure I'd call that "faith".
I mean, how much "faith" does it take to NOT-believe in Santa Claus?
How much "faith" does it take to NOT-believe in Nanabozho?
The (self-described) Atheists that I've spoken to often complain that their position is often misunderstood.
Calling someone by what they're NOT is a rather peculiar phenomenon.
It would be like everyone calling you a "non-astronaut" or a "non-stamp-collector".
MOST (but not all) people who call themselves "Atheist" try to make it clear that they are NOT saying there is NO POSSIBLE GOD(S). Instead, they're simply asserting that there is no compelling evidence of any SPECIFIC GOD(S).
In the same way it takes no "faith" to disbelieve in Russell's Teapot.
And often, the word "GOD" is an implicit reference to the "YHWH", and that one is particularly incoherent.
That isn't to say that Atheists are free of superstition.
A frightening number of Atheists still believe in the ridiculous concept of "freewill".
And they don't even have the good sense to call that "faith", they just call it "common sense".
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I'm an agnostic theist, for simplicity.
That makes sense.
I tell people I'm a DEIST in order to point out that no specific "god(s)" is any more or any less likely than the rest.
I'm telling people we are all just human and something build us. I call that something god or the creator.
It's something humans just don't get, it's mainly the language, history and culture that is blocking them from seeing the most simplest of things. We were build.
Evidence of this is everywhere in studies (science), just interpreted wrong.
Does your understanding of "god" have a "plan" for "you"?
And if it does, can you know what that "plan" is?
And if you can know, how do you know?
No, that wasn't his design, just options and long term of things, answers just come. Usually right too. Scary right, dead right, when im wrong im so happy :D
I remember when I was a kid, I really locked-on to the "never tell a lie" rule.
It got so bad, I was eventually seated with a religious authority who explained to me that "god gave us brains in order for us to know when discretion was appropriate".
To which my response was, "if god gave us brains to figure out what's appropriate, then why did god give us a rule book?"
thank you for an interesting and fair article, have a good weekend
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I am not real sure about all that religious stuff. I don't know, I guess I just find it awful hard to believe that individuals who go through more than their fair share of hardships in life that for whatever reason the reasoning is "god has a reason for everything".....well to be quite honest I have failed to understand any of his reasoning, you get worn down trying to figure out exactly what the reason was that certain people face more than their fair share of hardships. Even when you look back through history certain groups or demographics of groups have suffered way more hardships than others but they are lead to believe that somewhere up in that almighty sky there's a man who decided they were due burdens never placed upon others. These individuals continue to "draw strength" from their continued belief this was the path chosen for them by some divine entity. I really don't know how they do it, at some point you'd think they'd ask themselves exactly what it was they did wrong to deserve such a rotten life.
It almost seems like an intellectualized survival instinct.
The idea that "there is a plan" even if it's a "bad plan" still seems much more naturally appealing to most people than "nobody's looking".
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I am a Christian and I sometimes believe in the gods of other religions. The only difference is I believe mine is Almighty.
That's actually supported by scripture.
The bible says, "don't worship any other gods BEFORE me".
This is actually pretty good evidence that in the time of Moses, the Israelites were Polytheistic.
It's only in modern times that we started teaching that "all other gods are fake, made-up, bs".
So they exist, just not the most powerful
Yes, but it makes for a complicated ontology.
For example,
"In the beginning" did "YHWH" make Dagon and Baal and Asherah? Were they originally "angels"?
The Bible also reveals “that the worship of Asherah, which had been popular among the Hebrew tribes for three centuries,was introduced into the Jerusalem Temple by King Rehoboam, the son of Solomon, in or about 928 BCE. . . . of the 370 years during which the Solomonic Temple stood in Jerusalem the statue of Asherah was present in the Temple, and her worship was a part of the legitimate religion approved and led by the king, the court, and the priesthood, for no less than 236 years (almost two-thirds of the time).” LINK
thank you so much for sharing a great post, have a nice weekend
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I noticed many Christians believe in three Gods instead of one. I don't think they question what they are told in church, as there are many scriptures that indicate heavily Jesus didn't claim to be God. I'm not sure many of the original Christians would recognize what their sects grew to become. Arius was a reflection of what was probably a more widely held view before the church was monopolized by powers that schemed how to use the ideas to their benefit (such as the Council of Nicea, or Paul even at the beginning when he hijacked the church from James and Peter). In hindsight, I don't believe they could have pulled the idea off if more people could read and had been encouraged to read back then, coupled with how expensive books must have been when they were all created by hand instead of machine.
I agree 100%
It sounds like you've probably seen this,
No, hadn't seen it but was interesting to watch. I'm more of a reader than video person. Years ago I was having a spiritual crises and spent years studying the bible, its history and then various other religions. The more I searched the more dissatisfied I became. One of the first realizations was on the principle of one God or three. So I examined heavily what was attributed to Jesus, as well as looking at books that didn't make the cut etc. Even the placement of Revelations was significant, as many believe it says no books after it are credible. Many don't realize several books coming before it in the bible were written after it. I could go on, but so many facts that lead in different directions. Ultimately I understand why Jews don't accept him as the messiah as they await the one who will give them world dominion, although one could argue on some levels Christianity has done just that.
I've had a very similar experience. I'm especially fascinated with the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hammadi manuscripts.
It is funny how much of modern "christian belief" can't actually be found "in the scriptures". For example, both "omniscient" and "omnipotent" are nowhere to be found.
I like it.
So in a sort of round-about way, "G-sus" really has been a great ally.
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