Maybe read the comments in this post first. I ignored the first downvote to 0 on my post yesterday but the second one today on another post I also didn't even accept any rewards on can fuck off. If that's how they wanna act then I have no problem giving them a taste of their own medicine.
I don't target posts based off of the content, I slightly adjust rewards when I feel they are overrewarded. Feel free to check my other downvote activity before coming in here painting me as whatever it is you are trying to. Most likely knowing very well I run a big curation project that literally onboards people and attempts to help with retention and growth which has even curated you in the past. I don't see the same activity in these posts or of the consistent upvoters here. Must suck being an influencer yet you a "regular joe" on hive provides more value than he does.
OCDB does good work, I have benefitted from, yes. It supports me even after our last little tiff. Which I admit, I should have known better. Or thought more on what exactly I was risking.
I did read the comments. Dbroze is not the one downvoting you, but he is the one getting punished. I think you can understand why that pisses him off royally. He makes 20 30 bucks for taking the time to post here. He is a small account providing excellent high quality content, that brings people to hive, contributes to the reward pool, and all that good stuff. Why do you object to its trending?
xeldal and enki are entitled to use their stake where they see fit, are they not? Are you not?
Again, I don't do personal so my disagreements with you wouldn't lead to me blacklisting you from receiving curation, that wouldn't be very decentralized and I run ocd the way I think most curation projects should be ran. The decision of curation and stake distribution being in the hands of many.
But when I feel wronged a lot over something so small as my own downvotes on overrewarded content being retaliated or attempted to fear me out of contuining to curate posts down then I think I'm okay to take out the big guns to show them what exactly they are doing. it's not like the authors they seem to support so highly are that valuable to Hive either way, there's plenty of those around and wouldn't be a big loss.
I appreciate what ocdb does, and what you just said about your influence there.
It's not only your downvote though. When you downvote, a whole bunch of others do as well. You have an influence on others that perhaps you do not intend to wield.
There are not so many, and there are very very few curators who have the balls to support those writers and that content, which I find very valuable, given how hard it is to find it these days due to government interference. Hive has rocky and appreciator and others regularly giving even larger upvotes to content that is never read or engaged with, and probably took an hour or less to put together. These are original content, yes, but do they have more value than dbroze or tlavagabond reports that take hours if not days to produce? Should we counter appreciator upvotes with downvotes that wipe out all earnings? That would drive a great many from Hive. Those authors are clearly just posting to reap the upvotes. If it works for them, I don't mind. I don't upvote those posts though, because they are already over-rewarded.
I don't disagree there, a lot of content keeps getting rewarded even though it clearly isn't being consumed, but it's not much different from this. While these posts do take longer to be created they aren't hive-only, it's just a crosspost from the other websites he does tweet about and market. If they don't see the value of immutability and the way stake distribution here works to attempt to aid it into growing and keeping those upvotes from coming and people not having a reason to downvote the posts after many years then I don't really see the point of them or why you value them that much when you can just visit his website to view the content for free.
Not to mention how many of the authors these upvoters support aren't ever even active in any other way than crossposting their content and yelling out censorship when certain accounts feel its being overdone due to the fact that they don't get consumed enough on hive or bring anything to the table other than the crossposts. We're not like other websites where we just give them a percentage of adrevenue we get from advertisers, we literally invest stake in the ecosystem in them in hopes they'll return that value over time. I don't see youtube giving people google shares depending on the amount of likes a youtube video receives.
Not to mention if you don't have any stake left after all these years and upvotes I kind of understand why they wouldn't bother attempting to grow this place and invite their following over.
I spend my days logged into hive. I come here often to experience a few different things. I can peruse their material on their website, or on blurt if you prefer but first I would have to try to lure them away. I'd rather support them right here. By telling me to go to their websites, you are redirecting me off Hive. How is this different from dbroze's posting a link for me to easily follow right here?
Surely my reading and supporting dbroze here instead of on his website has some kind of value to hive, whether his content is crossposted or not. Being able to do so has a great deal of value TO ME.
We might never see eye to eye on this, because we have two very different visions of what Hive even is.
Yeah it's obviously not personal, I have told him in the past when I've given him small downvotes on content I felt was over rewarded and said so yesterday again because his upvoters are behaving like morons. Yet he's the one to call me names when I'm not the one being unreasonable here. I'm not the one that started the overdownvoting and they are the ones continuing it so by all means, keep it up. Pretty sure I do more for Hive's growth than whatever these two whales do who have literally no other activity on this chain than overrewarding a few authors close to no one cares about.
hm. I get that, but dbroze's rewards were wiped out by those who follow your downvote with their downvotes. His rewards were WIPED OUT. I can understand his being pissed about that, can't you? Once it happens to one post, the next many get the same treatment. Your beef is not with him, it's with the accounts that support him. He's collateral damage.
and so are the curators and onboarders of ocdb, as I said I'm not the one who started this and I couldn't give less of a shit about authors that provide close to no value to hive but sit at close to 80 rep from years of autovotes with no stake to their name. Not even a tweet directed at his hive account, it's like they exist here as ghosts leeching out value only to appear when someone downvotes them. Disgusting.
Done wasting time discussing these downvotes now, if xeldal and co want to continue this I won't have an issue making a post letting the broader community know what a waste of stake these early mining whales are spreading out to a few accounts and retaliate like babies thinking others should accept where they direct the reward pool to no matter the cost to other stakeholders and their own.
It's pretty ironic that they continue to downvote a project that's literally meant to grow the value of their stake.
Also the downvote trail on ocdb is not much and these were downvoted to 0 on purpose due to how his supporters are using their downvote mana.
and yes bohoo 0 rewards, should we also cry about the years of overrewarded stake this user has received when no downvote mana existed or is it all just sunshine and rainbows that we continue to throw stake at people who literally bring nothing to our ecosystem? I don't know how else to spell this out to you, they have a following (supposedly, who knows what % is fake) and they choose not to bring them over to hive where not only would their comments be immutable but he and others could reward the good ones with upvotes which in turn could allow his supporters to also grow and upvote them or donate with feeless transactions. I can guarantee you that if this author had a good following with active engagement in his posts I personally wouldn't touch them, hell even seeing him make an effort in bringing people over would be enough. It's like they don't want anyone to know they are here or they just know no one would join because it's mostly just bought followers on web2.
I mean for gods sake, it's been years, I understand the honeymoon period of overrewarding new users who have influence outside of hive but eventually they need to start giving something back or they are just straight up taking value from you and me while hive dwindles down in ranking as its user base remains stagnant.
You are talking in upper echolon of the workings of the finances of Hive, which I know nothing about. You think about the curation rewards for the whole space, and I think about the earnings of the small user. Iam a creative writer, who posts about her garden just to make a couple more bucks from an ocdb upvote now and then. I care about the rewards I get, but I'm in the 5 to 10 dollar USD range, where most new higher quality creators would hope to start I should think.
I see accounts that have value to me, earn me .100 hive from my precious 100% upvote. I like that I can support the creator so easily and make a mere pittance at the same time. These accounts get downvoted to zero, so they and I both earn nothing. It looks as though a certain content, which is valuable to me, cannot earn anything for both the creator and the curator. This is what a new person with my perspective on the covid issue will see here, and will not come, because it looks to us as if you are controlling content, and denying us all earnings. Which you are. Which I know you don't want to do. There is a massive community that Hive could onboard if it did not give off this vibe. It's a catch 22.
Again, I don't downvote based off of the content, although I may disagree with a lot of different niche's being rewarded too much or other ones being rewarded too little I don't downvote based off if content is controversial or nsfw or just plain dumb. If I see a post at $150 by and author who taking a few minutes to check their website, their socials, their engagement level, their viewcounter on peakd and/or 3speak and deem it overrewarded then I will downvote it. Doesn't matter if it's @xeldal's own mother talking about how she dropped him as a baby, it's overrewarded for the value it brings to the ecosystem so I will adjust it down.
I've adjusted down my own posts at times due to autovotes and those of ocd when they get overrewarded based off the work I know curators, anti-abuse finders, onboarders, etc do that's being rewarded with the posts. I try not to favoritize certain authors and have bots that notify me when certain accounts are upvoted too often from us along with checking social activity, etc, to see if they do other things on Hive or just shit out content for the rewards. When I see shit like this by stakeholders who blindly downvote cause some other projects may or may not have overdownvoted them then I will not take it because I know what I and my project do for the value of this ecosystem and I can see what they do and it's incomparable thus I will also play their game, let's see who the community stands with.
I better understand your perspective, and I would like you to better understand mine.
You downvote content that another whale upvotes. That whale is one of the few that upvotes content that is controversial at the moment, and that is being censored widely in all parts of the world, especially on social media. This looks bad. It's turning people away.
dbroze does not usually make anywhere near $150. that was an anomaly, your beef is not with him, and his post got wiped out because your downvote sometimes gets followed by a bunch of other downvotes, like a clarion call. The last time he had posts make too much (in my opinion) was in December of last year. You did not downvote those, so I can see you are targeting the whale not the creator, but the creator and anyone who supported him that day lost an opportunity to earn.
How do you know who the community stands with? I'm curious what that looks like.