My question is about Kyiv. What is the proper pronunciation and spelling for it?
And what do the residents of Kyiv think of themselves as?
Was it mostly Russian? And then, because it is the capital, lots of Ukranians moved in? Or visa versa?
If my memory serves, Kyiv was a Russian city. (pronounced differently)
But, what is it now?
When I was in Kiev in 2008 all the people I met spoke russian.
Kyiv never was a russian city , it was some period under soviet union, but it is different. Be careful, the author seems to spread fake russian nazi propaganda
It was the Capitol of Russia when Russia was first formed. How much more Russian could it be?
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Kyiv has never been a capital of Russia. There was Kyivskaya Rus but it is different from Russia. Russia, as territory, appeared as part of Rus later...
I feel like this is nit-picking. Many cultures called the Kyivskaya Rus Russians. The truth about this, and many places with ancient roots, is that the truth depends on who in the area you ask. Where cultures mingled, people living in the same area could refer to that area in different ways, while the rest of the world would refer to it as something else. I've dug just a little bit into the history of Eastern Europe and Russia, and what I've found is that it's a lot like the area of Israel/Palestine... very complicated.
I will add that Putin's regim tries to use it to rewrite history in school books. I have heard that they prefer to skip the word Kyivskaya, they just use the word Rus . Still Ukrainians and Russians have different cultures, with long history on attempts of Russia to destroy Ukrainian culture and call the other country own province
Formation of Muscovy (Moskovija): Muscovy, centered around Moscow, began to emerge as a distinct principality within Kievan Rus in the 12th century. Over time, it grew in power and influence, eventually becoming the Grand Duchy of Moscow.
Separate Existence of Ukraine: The territory that is now Ukraine had its own history and political entities, including the Kievan Rus state and later the Cossack Hetmanate. However, it's essential to note that the concept of a unified, independent Ukraine as a modern nation-state emerged much later, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries.
Peter I and the Russian Empire: Peter the Great, who ruled from the late 17th to early 18th century, indeed played a crucial role in transforming Muscovy into the Russian Empire. He implemented reforms, modernized the state and military, and expanded Russia's territory.
Rebranding as Russia: The term "Russia" (Россия, Rossiya) as the official name for the Russian state was not solely the work of Peter the Great. The name "Russia" had been used informally for centuries before Peter's reign, and it became the official name of the country during his rule.
So, while Peter the Great's era marked significant changes in Russia's identity and expansion, both Muscovy and Ukraine had long histories before that period. Ukraine's historical development and its relationship with Muscovy/Russia are complex and multifaceted, shaped by centuries of political, cultural, and territorial dynamics.
The historical context you're referring to is quite complex, but I'll try to summarize it.
During the medieval period, the area known today as Russia was fragmented into different territories, including Muscovy (Moskovija), which was centered around Moscow. Meanwhile, what is now Ukraine had its own distinct political entities, such as the Kievan Rus and later the Cossack Hetmanate. These regions had separate political, cultural, and linguistic developments.
In the 16th and 17th centuries, Muscovy (Moskovija) gradually expanded its influence and territories, eventually becoming the dominant power in the region. The reign of Peter the Great (late 17th to early 18th century) marked a significant period of transformation. He modernized and centralized the Russian state, adopted Western practices, and expanded the Russian Empire.
The term "Russia" as we know it today, referring to the Russian Federation, emerged much later in history, particularly after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. So, in summary, the historical development of the Russian state and its identity evolved over centuries, with significant changes and transformations occurring at different points in time."
Yeah, that's what I said! 😉
In that case it could only be the Google stats that spread fake russian nazi propaganda. That would be quite odd though.
Google just provide stats but russian nazi use it to play with facts. In result there is half true and half false, that is used to try to make people believe in false and fake russian propaganda
YOur head must be spinning ;)
that is, based on the comment I wrote, you don’t have a single counterargument? What did I lie about? I described what has been happening around me lately in Ukraine. These are facts that anyone can check if they wish. What did you see as propaganda?
How long ago did obvious things in Ukraine turn into pro-Russian propaganda?
Yes, Russian propagandists are using what is happening in Ukraine against the Ukrainian government, but there is no need to fib here.
We ourselves give their propagandists very real grounds for laughing at us))
Learn history, please
Respectfully he has. He’s right about everything he’s said. Regardless Russia has tried to have peace talks regularly and NATO pressures Ukraine to say no. Now the nation is lost. Ukraine will never recover from this. It’s incredibly sad.
I can tell you the same thing!
It’s unfortunate many people still buy the lies. It was USA who started this by doing a coup (via CIA) to overthrow Ukraine government in 2014.
In Soviet times, the Ukrainian name "КИЇВ" was transliterated into Russian as "КИЕВ." In other countries, the Soviet Union was primarily associated with Russia, so the name of the Ukrainian capital was translated from the Russian version to English as "KIEV."
As of today, the official language of the country is Ukrainian, and in the original language, the capital is spelled "КИЇВ." This means that the correct English transliteration is "KYIV."
In August 2012, the United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names decided to change the official spelling rule for the name of the Ukrainian capital