So once again we are at this distasteful subject. Originally I was going to just let it lay as they had finally deleted the fake profile they had of me on their platform. But someone who I thought was my friend endorsed the platform well knowing how it had scammed hundreds of creators, so I got mad telling him off for it. Another person had asked me to join the forum a few days earlier who was not aware of their past behaviour so i decided to let people know who they are dealing with. For this we need togo back to CHoon.
Choon was a crypto music site that paid tokens for plays, It 's initial creator ditched the project and one of his staff Bjorn Niclas took the thing over. Long story short he ran the thing into the ground. About two weeks before the total collapse he had locked the wallets no one was able to take out their coin, then without warning he shut down the site. He did not say anything for about 4 days - Nothing Nada! People who deal with the new platform either don't know, or have forgotten all this. After he finally emerged he pretended that he was part of Emanate, who he did have a musician transfer deal with but nothing more. The offer was to join Eminate and get some of their coin for the Note tokens we lost; they made it however very clear that he was not part their team witch he initially alluded to.
During that time I and others who where in the so called "unofficial" Choon group on Facebook, which very much was influenced and powered by Bjorn ad his fanboys, asked Bjorn point blank what would happen to our music and data that we no longer had access to, and thus could not delete. He assured us that it was deleted. I can no longer get a screen shot of that but others who are still in the group can find it in the logs ( I was banned for calling Bjorn out on his Rocki scam). I personally asked Bjorn to make sure anything of mine was gone and told him he better never use any of it in future - her promised it no longer existed which was a lie!
A few months later a friend showed me this
My friend said " I did not know you where on Rocki " and I was like WTF is Rocki so I went and looked and sure enough there was my face, my old bio and my music plus about 15 collaboration tunes with others on the Rockiapp. Pure and Simple if someone one tells you " Do not use my Work or face ever" and they do it, it is Fraud; and actually as he used my bio and face impersonating me it is Identity theft. I contacted Rocki and never got a reply back then. Bjorn and his friends only started reacting when i went to the old Choon group and called him out and on twitter.
His defence then, and still is, is that he sent out Emails telling the artists that they are now enrolled in Rocki but had the option to opt out. First of all email or not that is still theft. You can't say I deleted data and then use it in a new company without asking first. Personally I never got an email, but I pretty much know why, because several of the people who personally told him to delete anything he had did not get them. Coincidence ? I think not. It took ages for me to get my songs off off Rocki, they kept ignoring me, blocking me but eventually the profile was gone. Not that they ever communicated though. Now the old Platform Choon had smart contracts where you could allocate creator percentages for collaborations. It is highly illegal to keep songs on your platform if one of the creators objects, however that is exactly what Rocki and also choon did. They would just take the objecting artist off the credits and keep that portion of the royalties for themselves. For the longest time they had several collaborations of mine on Rocki, eventually after calling them out long enough, over a period of months, most were gone. I actually thought they were all gone until I found one yesterday.
It was a collaboration I did with @junkfeathers who came to my rescue today and deleted it for me. So why would they make such an effort to steal my music ? Well on Choon I had 105 songs and about 1mill notes, (Which I had transferred to @tenpoundsterling to try to save them from the failing platform some we got out others were locked down) to investors an account like that looks promising this is why Bjorn did what he did. It is called proof of content. You show an investor that you have a solid base of creators and that spawns trust. This is why he kept the data and this is why he did not send emails out asking people to join but forced their hand by just enrolling them.
Rocki likes to pretend they did it to help creators but if that were true contacting beforehand and saying "hey I have this new idea and we will compensate you with the Notes equivalent in Rocks " would have been the right path. Not what Rocki did is it ?! Bjorn pitched the platform to investors with the stolen data, he built a platform with the stolen data and afterwards sent what he calls "welcome emails " stating that if one did not opt out, it constituted consent. No matter how Bjorn and his minions pretend it is, this is not legal, especially because
A- there is a public bankruptcy proclamation in England (where Choon was registered) clearly stating that ALL assets belong to the Crown.
B- He had personally and publicly promised that all data was deleted. Deleted Data is not the undead rising from the grave, Bjorn Frankenstein had no right to resurrect it! Again this is Fraud and theft no matter how he plays the victim and the poor misunderstood soul.
Don't get me wrong, Bjorn can talk a good game he has a past full of shady deals. For example his gunlamp company he claims was run by veterans. Guess what he is not a veteran he just employed one. When covid hit the first thing he did was open a PPE mask resell company and played more shady games. Bjorn is good with things like this- half truths and money grabbing that is his game and up till now he is getting away with it.
Also anyone reading this might want to look in to the story Pathways VC
(@damiendubsy < twitter ) tells, he says Bjorn sold the company to him, to then steal the content and run and leave him with an empty name but no content. Ask yourself why do so many people have stories like this to tell about Bjorn and all of his companies Ask yourself why most people questioning the procedures are blocked off Rockiapp's social media. Also ponder this, if Bjorn stole the data off the Choon servers and used it to get investors what will stop him from doing it again if Rocki fails? What is to stop him from shutting down the site and blocking your access to your rocks, as he did with notes? fool me once ... just saying
As for people who had to force them to take off their music and bios I will name a few that are here as well @asonintrigue @bushradio @d-vine and there are a ton more, and considering how I was never notified and would have never found out if friends had not told me. I ask myself how many of the people on there actually know their content and persona is used there? And to those who know what happened and still promote Rocki because they want to keep their money and/or earn more I say - you are the real problem in the world. Selling out like that makes it possible for horrible people to get a leg up. But hey who cares because you profit and might get internet famous, what kind of people are you?! Just today Rocki offered me coin and to rejoin, that how they get people to be complicate; and that is why the music industry and the world in general is so shit! That is why Steemit became a cesspool and hive battles daily not to become the same! The only way to make a better world is to be it, and make it one action and choice at a time. As long as your spines are Jello this shit world is all you get and deserve.
Back in time when Choon announced to stop the service, followed with the Emanate thing, I thought: "Yet another service that can't be trusted" Maybe not really fair to think something like this, since we all know more than 80% of startups companies do not survive.
When people started to mention Rocki, I never really looked into it. I vaguely remembered this has something to do with Choon. As a music fan I did had a profile with Choon, and some NOTES, just a handful I believe. Just yet, I checked Rocki App: My profile is there. My old logging didn't work anymore but I could get a new password with the email address I used with Choon. In my wallet, I noticed I have some Rocks. Guess this is a coin drop based on the Choon coins I had? Searching my emails, I noticed I received last September (2020) a notification from Rocki: They explained their process of converting the Choon NOTES into ROCKS. Also, I noticed the playlist I've created in Choon back then, is available in Rocki. 3 out of 4 tracks (all from different users), are playing. I never seem to have received an email on my profile conversion, like you mentioned.
I don't know what to think of all of this. I do agree with you the whole transition from Choon to Rocki seems shady. If not illegal, at least not morally right.
That said, in decentralised crypto land, anything goes. That's why I'm pretty careful in what services I use. In essence, I don't trust anybody in crypto space; Too many scammers of some sort (big ones, small ones).
Fun fact (at least to me): On one hand I hear the true decentralised services believers stating they don't want to deal with centralised rules and institutions. On the other hand, the same people turn to these centralised rules and institutions when they feel these rules are broken. Makes me LOL all the time. Note: I'm not one of those people shitting on centralised rules and institutions. I believe they have a purpose. Maybe we need to change them, but I can't believe in a free world without some forms of centralised rules and with that some forms of centralised institutions :)
Interestingly, when reading these stories, I always wonder if well established centralised services are still better to use, especially when (part of) income is created through these services.
can I screenshot this and tag Rocki on twitter so they know i am not the only one ?
Sure! But please show it to it fullest :)
thank you 😃
your welcome :)
I'll have to add this: HIVE forked from Steem copy/pasted all accounts (well, most of them), profiles and content. Blurt forked as well from Steem and copy/pasted the accounts and profiles. Both airdropped tokens. It seem to me, Rocki did something really similar.
no while hive and blurt should have asked it was a fork not a completely new animal - choon was not a block chain they were a company that went broke and all the assets were actually forfeit to the Crown - Bjorn also promised people when the thing wen belly up that all the data would be deleted - which was a lie obviously- he used all these accounts he stole to pitch for investors for rocki so it is way different . Its not a fork it's making a new company with stolen data
I see the differences indeed. But the net effects are very much similar. I'm not saying this Choon / Rocki thing is less shady then I mentioned in one of my previous comments. That still stands :) One thing we need in crypto space to experience its good face for a long time to come, is the ability to trust others while not under any rules and enforcers. This essentially means, we shall refrain from lying and stealing.
and as i said i and other told this ass hat to delete our stuff and he said he would - i cant find the screenshot where he said he would delete everything but i do have one where he said to someone
that he would delete everything
We need a wall of shame. Ok, I'll bring it a little nicer. We need a wall of truth and facts about people in crypto space. I wished we had one for HIVE. We need one for entire crypto space.
Sad story, i remember to have a Choon account but have not used / logged in since ages - shared for more awareness.
Yeah Fuck Bjorn anyway. One question, what do you know about the transfer to Emanate, because I knew some trustable people one Emanate and now it's a little bit shady ...
I didn't take the emanate deal as they wanted me to pay for being there so I was like nope - but Rocki is impersonating you right now and used your data to get investors basically identity theft I will tag you on twitter you need to tell them off - I am trying to make people aware of this shit I already found 10 stolen accounts this week - they will offer you money don't fall for it they need to be shut down - i just found out that bjorn had a seeing eyeglass business where he ran away with people's money and glasses he is pond scum
Thx i found it after ur post. i want it down i don't want their money
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