Okay, so, help me out here ... how does someone rip something off by asking for what they believe their work is worth? Does the regular definition of a scam even apply here?
I come to this as a community volunteer and as an artist in the ACTUAL world, where occasionally I get to write for grants based on work done and work to be done in the future. It does sometimes happen that a grant comes through based on the merit of work you have already done -- you prove you have done the kind of work the organization is interested in, and they cover your expenses because they recognize the value you have already provided and thus enable you to continue to provide to the community.
The distributions being asked for from the Hive fund seem to be in a similar class of things -- people receiving from the fund are presenting the value of their work and asking for what they want in their proposal. Since this does sometimes happen "retroactively" in the ACTUAL world of grants and stipends (sometimes called "sustaining" grants or something like), I don't see how it can be classified as a scam and a ripoff here on Hive...
If the amount is a problem, there are three things to look at here. Do we have the right to tell people how to value their work, and if so, based on what accepted criteria? Generally speaking, one would be laughed at and accused of rank jealousy if trying to get between grant-makers and grantees in this way, even though grant-makers generally are 501c3s and are thus public benefit corporations. They belong to the national community ... and so we all fund them in a sense. Yet criteria are left to the grant-makers.
The second item: at what point does money paid become a robbery of the community? $30K? $20K? $10K? Who says? Again, there is a strong whiff of sour grapes here ... most of us do not have the total set of skills and connections necessary to be in line for a $30K grant, and that can make us feel overlooked and underappreciated for what we are able to do and have done. But it is always dangerous to conflate our personal feelings with a problem for an entire community. Have we been robbed? We have all contributed in six weeks to something that we have equal access to that has great and recognized value. Some people are more equipped to ask for and potentially receive greater personal benefit than others ... but that is not unlike actual life, and that is not necessarily a diminishing of anyone else or the community.
Third and last item: If the system for making proposals is open to everyone, how it is unfair for people who make proposals to ask for what they want? Just because not all of us are equipped today to have the set of skills and connections to make a $30K ask and expect to receive it, does that mean those that do should be kept from having the right to ask when the same open door is in front of all of us? Put another way: if I have assumed I never will be in a position to do such an ask although the door is wide open, does that give me the right to handicap everybody else as I have handicapped myself in my own thinking? YET AGAIN: there is a strong whiff of sour grapes and limiting thinking around this idea.
because thats not what her work is worth.
Repeating a thing does not make it true, @lordbutterfly. I read your entire post a couple of times, so I say emphatically: repetition does not confer truth.
You wish to apply subjective criteria to others about the value of their work, but understand that the value of your assertions can be held up to the same scrutiny:
I have purposely not chosen to attempt to lower the value of your opinion and thus your person to the community by attacking it as harshly as I could. You are operating out of a certain set of beliefs and circumstances and attempting to do good as you understand it. I respect that. I am, however, pointing out to you that you lack the same respect for others who are doing work you are not doing so that we can all share this valuable platform.
Do i really have to answer these? 🤦♂
lol. I just find this funny. What can i say? Thx for not shattering my self-esteem.
No, you didn't have to answer them. They are rhetorical. But since you did, future readers can weigh things out how they wish. The premise that someone asking for what they feel their work is worth and getting it is robbery or a scam or a ripoff is at least questionable. But, like I said: I do respect your position, and your right to express it.
If she asked for $30k or $40k broken out over one (1) years for a part-time or even more if she wanted to go full-time, I would be fine with this.
But $30k for services rendered, no, because lot's of people, including me, played an important part in the exchanges for Hive.
Let me see if I understand:
No. 5 is the part that disturbs me, sir. I can understand 1-4 not going well, and then you feeling disrespected by the powers that be. I can understand if you are saying you believe you personally are being treated unfairly. But just because someone applied for in essence a $30K grant for work already done and got it while you didn't does not mean the whole community has necessarily been robbed unless said work OBJECTIVELY had no value to us -- that would be hard to prove, but, I'm open to it if you can do it.
But if there is value, here's what happened. Person X valued their work at $30K; the Hive fund agreed. That is the kind of thing that takes place every day in grant-making circles to actual volunteers who apply for sustaining grants based on past work. Not everyone applies, and not everyone who applies receives ... $30K is a big example, but it does happen with big funds. That does not mean YOUR work has no value. Thank you for everything you did that got us to where we could have this conversation today. Yet at the same time: just because no one has yet put a dollar sign on the value of your work doesn't mean that we can prove the dollar sign on anyone else's work is invalid.
https://peakd.com/hive/@birdinc/hive-business-development-and-exchange-relations-support
I made a proposal but Justine asked me to take it down so I did. She wanted it to be a team proposal but she didn't want me on the team.
But I realized that I wasn't the right guy for the job because I didn't have many individual relationships with members of the Hive Slack.
https://peakd.com/hive/@birdinc/weekly-hive-exchange-report
Here you can see a chart with all my initial notes.
Again: your work has value, and so does anyone else's that contributed to the excellent work you have linked to. However, that is a bit of a non sequitur to the question of whether anyone on that work should not get $30K. I also have no way of knowing: who asked for what?
The point is getting Hive DAO Funds is more about politics than merit and I was pushed out politically.
But I also left at the same time because I understood this so it's all water under the bridge now.
OKAY -- now we get to something that IS a community problem indeed ... what you are now describing is garden-variety graft. Presuming graft is the sole reason one person got $30K and another didn't, I can totally see your point.