Hive’s real strength has always come from its community, creative collaboration, and authentic storytelling rather than strict ROI or conversion metrics.
These are very open ended claims. Theres nothing really practical you are saying here as a starting point. But if you went ahead and actually put forth practical ideas that would apply to what you are saying, that then, would again have measurable metrics we can pinpoint.
That kind of story draws in developers, investors, and users who care about meaningful technology and social value.
See, you are here presenting measurable effects of a project. And unfortunately it doesnt do that. It might be able to, but it doesnt and I know why it doesnt. Because a cool idea without knowing how to take your effort from doing something cool to actually converting into developers investors, results etc. is pretty much worthless.
People were curious, inspired, and genuinely interested in what Hive was doing.
And that converted into what? What value did that bring to Hive?
On top of that, I find it crazy to measure someone’s value based on where they’re from or how much they earn.
Really? Who can afford to hire you at your prices? Countries that have 1/10th purchasing power of where you live, or customers from your country and from those with more purchasing power?
Where will you promote your services?
Ill tell you where. Where you can get paid.
For me, I want to sell Hive to people who can buy it, not to places where they by default cannot.
not ranking people’s worth by geography or income.
Well, we should when spending money. Hive needs to be run like a business. No one is taking any opportunities away from any region. Quite the opposite, those that are from low income regions on Hive would actually benefit greatly, actually more than anyone else, if we managed to attract high income individuals here with excess income.
With better communication and visibility, ValuePlan could turn existing projects into lasting brand assets for Hive instead of one-off efforts that quietly disappear.
Results. Thats what I want to see. Brand awareness can for sure be part of it, but not the entire focus. We can measure stuff pretty easily.
I appreciate your detailed response and I think this discussion is valuable. A few points to clarify from my side:
On calling projects “worthless” or “cool”: That wording dismisses the real work people have put in. Even if outcomes weren’t perfect, it minimizes genuine effort from contributors who invested time and skill. Constructive critique is important, but language matters when people are giving their best for the ecosystem.
On visibility and measurement: The problem is not only project quality but visibility. Many DHF and VP initiatives were never properly followed up or communicated through Hive’s main channels. Without visibility, there’s no way to measure engagement, retention, or ROI fairly. You cannot track what people never see.
On conversion and ROI: I agree that results should be measurable, but meaningful conversion doesn’t start at the transaction level. It starts with awareness, perception, and trust. Inspiration is the first step in any conversion funnel. Projects like the borehole initiative create that emotional connection, but the lack of follow-up content means that initial attention never matures into measurable outcomes.
On regional value and inclusivity: The rates I accepted for VP work compared to my normal ones already show that I’m not motivated purely by money. Hive’s identity is built on decentralization and global opportunity. Reducing human contribution to purchasing power goes against that core idea. Hive’s strength lies in its diversity, and that should never be treated as an inefficiency.
On future measurement: Visibility and communication are prerequisites for data. Until Hive improves how it broadcasts and documents its funded projects, none of the upcoming initiatives will be measurable either. Visibility creates understanding, understanding creates engagement, and engagement leads to measurable growth. That first step is still missing, and that’s where the focus should be IMO, not "cooler" project in your eyes.