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RE: Downstream Consequences of Framing a Downvote as an "Attack"

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Do you believe a downvote is an "attack?"

Damn wrote up a long reply and thought it posted yet it seems to have disappeared. The long and short of it was that although the mechanics of downvoting does not appeal to me, in its present form, it can be a means of enforcing agreed upon community guidelines like paid bot voting; yet to downvote someone because you don't like there opinion about something seems like an attack against free speech at the very least.

You are judging my character for self voting.

My judging was concerning your actions and this discussion was an attempt to perhaps change your thoughts in that regard, so it was not meant on a personal level; though if you feel like you have been judged personally your view is respected and apologies already given.

I want people like you to come and argue with me in a heated way.

We seemed to have achieved that outcome to some degree. 🙂

I do not like you twisting things and taking them out of context to fit your own narrative.

If that is the way it came off to you, then apologies given.

Hive is hive and nothing more.

Much of the community are STEEM refugees. More than half of the top 20 witnesses are the same that were there upon my arrival in 2016. The Spanish community is probably the biggest growth of the HIVE community since the hard fork from STEEM.

I am not bitter. I am emotional. There is a difference.

You do not strike me as bitter. You, literally, have a lot at stake so it is understandable that you would have strong opinions concerning the project. The fork from STEEM upset me a great deal and both my STEEM and newly acquired HIVE (was a Dolphin at the time) were swapped for ETH. Over the next 4 years ETH 10x'ed. Sold it off to buy my 36 foot Cabot-36 floating condo two summers ago. My return after a couple of years was for the old connections in the community. My opinion of HIVE/STEEM is that it is a flawed experiment and will fade away like AOL is still doing after all this time. In the meantime it houses my ship's log and other personal projects and observations.

You tried to take something I did and take it out of context by applying steem days to it.

Pretty sure most of the community would consider self voting an abuse of the reward pool. A poll may be interesting to see if that has changed much.

If we want to onboard new users, forcing them to reminisce about steem (which frankly sounds like either hell or purgatory) is not a recipe for success and drives user like myself, who want to invest in the ecosystem, away.

Countless users have been driven from the platform from the use/misuse of downvoting. My non-financial advise is to not invest in this broken platform; whose flaws were revealed by the fork and the way the last $2 million investor was treated. That investor is now a welcome visitor in the White House and his TRON coin (which he wanted to have the ability to atomic swap with HIVE) is now trading at $0.40+USD. How different things may have been had the greedy Witness Cabal not sent the community asunder with their greed driven fork. We'll never know now.

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Why would you stay on a platform that requires investment, at this stage, and ask people not to invest?

Telling me not to invest in something is literally financial advice 🤣

Just hanging around till the lights go out for me or for the chain, whichever comes first. At my age it's most likely to me me. 😎

There are connections here that mean something to me. They always seem to bring me back.

DPoS governance has proven to be a failure in my estimation. Dapps could be its one saving grace yet old projects seem to be leaving quicker than new ones are appearing. Even Dan Larimer, the original creator, bailed on the project before the fork from STEEM.

If the project itself still meant something to me my focus would not be on the social media aspect but on Dapps development; throwing whatever stake in my control to help in the funding and the promotion of viable Dapps. Your stake could have a lot of say where all those Ninja Tokens end up being used.

Anyway have to get some rest up for the big day tomorrow. All the best.

You unfortunately are not unique here. You share the perspective of a lot of people on HIVE that are still mad at something. It appears to be Steem by I really do not know. It is a major headwind either way.

I am not optimistic for HIVE price in 2026 because so many people have stayed here for reasons other than driving HIVE to a better future.

Yeah the fork caused a lot of heartache. Guilty as charged.

I cannot imagine the kind of toll that had on people’s lives. I’m sure people got legit medical issues from it and I’m not trying to be cute.

Stress can really weigh on people and some people literally die from stress.

Either way the fork “worked” to a high degree. I can appreciate it was not perfect and getting to a place where it meets everyone’s standard is probably impossible.

But the fork gives HIVE value in a way most people don’t appreciate.

If someone tries to do it again, they know what will happen and that is a very good incentive structure to have in this space. In my opinion anyways.