The real question that needs to be answered is: Did you own Hive before HF23? If the answer is yes then you are correct if not then you are not.
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The real question that needs to be answered is: Did you own Hive before HF23? If the answer is yes then you are correct if not then you are not.
At the moment of launch I owned Hive until it was transferred away from my account. Those screenshots show a record of the transfer. So yes, I did briefly own a stake in Hive at the moment that Hive began. That is the point of this post.
The thing is that the operation that you are showing is the first one from HF23. Without it Hive would not exist (it would just be steem). Is there another operation before this one that shows that you owned hive?. The answer is no, what you owned was steem (and you still do).
Hypothetical question, if I copy the code and the transaction history from steem (or any other chain) and create a fork that transfers all of the funds to my account on a new chain is that stealing?
You still have the same balances on the old fork and as long as other people (especially exchanges) recognize the old version of the code as valid the answer is no...it is not stealing. I am just a crazy person saying to the world that I own everything.
The only effective way to create a contentious fork on a DPOS chain is to replicate everything except the stake that is opposed to the new version of the software (if you want to preserve the history of the old chain). AND the only way that you can remove the stake in question is to execute an operation that does exactly that (otherwise the hardfork doesn't exist since the stake that is being nullified is controling consensus).
It doesn't mean that you owned the new coin prior to the hardfork. I know that this maybe triggers negatve emotions but what you have to account for is that hardforks on blockchains are just code changes that don't mean anything per say until a group of people start to recognize them as valid. If no one gives these code changes validity it's just a bunch of people on the internet saying non-sensical things.
But they did replicate the stake. They then proceeded to transfer it. That is the problem at hand. It was not an airdrop. Everyone's stake was copied, and the users who were blacklisted had their stake transferred out of their account without consent. That is by no means an air drop (which they have been calling it). At the very least, they were deceitful in calling it an airdrop. Some have even claimed that it is theft.
Hmm. But it sounds like the fork was created and the stake was transferred simultaneously. There was no period of time where you could have submitted a transaction to move your HIVE and not your STEEM.
Also the intent of the fork to transfer stake from certain accounts to @steem.dao was clearly announced prior to the chain's creation.
But there was no airdrop. They claim that every account was zeroed out, and then airdropped new currency. None of the accounts were zeroed out. The excluded accounts' stake was transferred. It's not that we were excluded from an airdrop, it is that we were the only one's who had their stake removed.
I agree that the term "airdrop" is a bit misleading. Hive was a hardfork that created a new chain where some users had their assets seized and placed in the development fund. How the fork was executed, in terms of blockchain transactions, is mostly an implementation detail.
This is not dissimilar to the Ethereum hardfork away from Ethereum Classic. A large portion of stakeholders decided they wanted to erase the assets of the DAO attacker and created a hard fork to do so.
Nope. Even your attempt to argue nitpicky semantics here fails. Go home to Steem kid.