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RE: How Many Of My Upvoters Are Actively Using Hive? (Addressing Downvote Cancel Culture on Hive)

in #hive3 years ago

@ura-soul, votes you received from me were not auto-votes. I have a couple alt accounts that auto-follow each other, but that's just so I don't have to manually cast votes from multiple accounts (unless I choose to vote differently from different accounts, then I change the order in which I cast those votes).

Also, although I have never solicited it, I have noticed that there are a few accounts that follow my account(s) as a curation trail -- I've never looked closely at them, so I cannot tell you how significant that might be.

The notion that a whale (or group of whales) would downvote your posts to zero because of presumed auto-voting is utterly ridiculous, imo (like this post, which generated tons of engagement, but was still DV'ed to zero).

Quite honestly, all this disgusts me.

However, despite my disagreement with those actions (and my disdain for those who promulgate them), I am resolved that the Layer 1 'feature' that allows such actions must remain (as a feature on Layer 1, that is), at least for now.

The downside to such behavior is that there is no way you can win against it (on Layer 1). As soon as one or more HIVE whales start DV'ing your posts, then it becomes costly for your supporters to continue upvoting you (because their curation rewards get zeroed out along with your author rewards).

So, there is an action by the DV'ers that costs them nothing, but costs you (in rewards that they claim were never really yours, which is technically true) but their actions also cost your supporters, and cost them curation rewards that REALLY WERE THEIRS (or at least should have been).

And, the DV'ers can continue this ad infinitum because it costs them nothing. The fact that it costs your supporters means many of them will stop upvoting your content (to stop incessantly losing their curation rewards). This is why such action is so disgusting to me -- it penalizes your supporters until they stop supporting you (or just keeps penalizing them, if they're stupid enough to continue throwing their curation rewards away).

I will be posting a more detailed explanation about my thoughts on this topic, and will link to that post here after it's published. (HINT: The answer to this problem resides on Layer 2, or at least it will shortly.)

In the meantime, I wish you the best in your fight against this abusive behavior; however, imho, you will be better off doing whatever you can to appease them rather than fight them or try to argue with them; they sincerely believe they are the 'righteous' ones. Nothing you or I say will convince them otherwise.

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Thanks for your comment, yes, you are right about the curation and upvoting - though if enough people refused to give in then they can unite and take powerful action to stop such abusive voting. Aside from the principle of 'not giving in to terrorists' (to quote a famous US terrorist), the main reason why 'appeasement' won't work here is that the main downvoters are not being honest about their motives. They have zeroed a wide variety of types of posts, so it seems like the content is irrelevant to them.

and cost them curation rewards that REALLY WERE THEIRS (or at least should have been).

Why?

We are operating in completely different universes. I don't expect that you will ever see my perspective, and vice versa.

So, with all due respect, I prefer to not waste your time or mine directly arguing.

Feel free to state your reasons for disagreeing with whatever I've said (for the sake of others -- not for the sake of trying to convince me).

I will be focusing my efforts on Layer 2 solutions. I see that as the only productive path forward with respect to this issue.

Is that one of your solutions to it? Downvotes remove author rewards but not curation rewards?

I just generally don't agree that curation should be guaranteeed either, only vests inflation should be and hbd APR.

Interesting, thanks - I actually didn't see your comment here at all as it was hidden in PeakD due to your negative reputation figure. Thanks for your support anyhow. 3Speak are well aware of the problems regarding free speech on Hive due to clueless curation, so are taking active steps to address it - we shall see how far they achieve change soon.

I will be focusing my efforts on Layer 2 solutions

Don’t waste your time and energy. People will always convert Layer 2 token to HIVE.
I was buying SPORTS token (about 150 mln) and kept the price on nice level. When I stopped buying, price started going down, to zero. I’m converting my HIVE stake to blurt (no downvotes - no toxic discussions). That’s where 3speak and POB should be. Let this Woke agenda pray and masturbate to Moloch -> mythical Reward Pool

100% THIS.

THE TOP 18 WITNESSES CAN DECIDE TO FREEZE YOUR ACCOUNT AND TAKE YOUR MONEY AT ANY TIME THEY WISH