Conveniently the code to move around stakes already exists and has been tested. I'm sire it can be tweaked and executed again with less effort.
Where was stake moved around and a code tested?
Yes, but it is a method to express the desire of the masses. If one gets 51% of the witness votes (can choose top 30), hardfork is possible
This makes no sense in the slightest. If we are going to discuss theoretical things that “could” happen.. sure.. yes on a technical level a HF could happen that would remove stake.. but not because a proposal was done to say so. I mean, Justin Sun could wake up tomorrow and decide he’s not a scammer, but I don’t see that happening either.
There are another way to earn stake. airdropped Hives
*Gifted HIVE, and yes those who received it now own it. Those who did not, never did own it.
Pandora's box was opened by removing stake from wallets.
Where was stake removed from wallets?
Okay technically they were not airdropped, but from a mathematical standpoint this is a chicken or egg first argument, glass half full or half empty.
Actually,it’s not. Nothing was ever taken. I think this is an important aspect you aren’t clearly defining here. A new asset was made and allocated to those who were participating in a decentralized community. No one was entitled to an airdrop. Just because a fork is made, does not mean an airdrop happens. With Hive, an airdrop was gifted to many.
Those who did not receive the gift were those who attacked the very premises of the new chain - decentralization. There is nothing that says anyone was entitled to it, and quite frankly it’s the right of the community to exclude those who actively were responsible for the centralization of the Steem chain.
It sounds like in your opinion - Hive should just be exactly like Steem.. and all the stake, ninja mine and all, should be the same.. as thats “fair”.. so what would be the point of a new chain if we wanted it the exact same?
The goal was to rid the issues of the past and build something different. For those who don’t like it or don’t want to participate in it - they have other options.
By healing, I mean making things right. We don't need more enemies
We don’t need to bend knee to make our attackers happy. Instead the community who does want decentralization can work to build something they can be proud of and that showcase their ideals and principles.
The attackers can have the chain they worked so hard to centralize- forcing those who believed in decentralization all off in the process.
I don’t know about you, but I didn’t buy STEEM for it to be a centralized shit show. Perhaps you are expecting an apology from the wrong group - as the only ones I see who lied, cheater and took advantage of users and stake holders.. are the ones now sitting on the centralized chain they wanted.
I'm sure as a community we can figure out how to become very strong again.
We are already strong - look at how much we have accomplished. Now we start building what we always wanted to see, together.
I have heard people say Hive is an exact copy of Steem with just a few variables renamed hive, the chain renamed hive and some stake moved around. We keep using the term air drop. We both admit this is a new asset from a legal point.
I'm just saying we can do it again and again. Although, this probably won't happen. It can happen. We lost a little bit of that special immutable goodness by demonstrating that we can make a nearly identical copy to solve certain problems.
The steem.dao account received an airdrop exactly proportional to the amount that was not airdropped to others. In this sense, hive wasn't actually created or destroyed it was just moved about and renamed. Mathematically this can be demonstrated via 2 simple equaltions : 3 + 1 = 4 or 2 + 2 = 4
They are both the same if you consider it one way, but one is airdropped amd new if you look at it another way.
To clear things up, I support removing the ninjamined steemit stake from Hive. I just want to see most of it burned, but that is another unrelated issue.
I just don't believe it was a decentralized decision to remove it/ not airdrop . As you mentioned the dao cannot do this. Some people decided. It was a popular decision that I hope everyone on Hive can agree with.
No one rational bought steem to enjoy the potential of justin and tron. I still think it is mean to exclude them from hive just because they wanted to vote for his witnesses.
Perhaps in the future if people vote in a manner unbecoming of a decentralized blockchain, they will be excluded from an airdrop in the next hard fork. We can't pretend it didn't happen at least once in the shared history of the blockchain.