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RE: HiveForum KL Roundtable (Sun 19 OCT 2025): Improving DAO Spending, Accountability & ValuePlan Transparency

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would you have any constructive feedback or ways how you would see this improved or fixed?

Yes, I do and I very clearly articulate that in my blog posts. - have been for years.


What you could do, personally:
Start voting, bro! (for content)
I DMed you about this many years ago and you just ignored me.


I want to make this very clear:
Love what you are doing with Hivefest. If we spent 1mio HBD on the event itself, I wouldn't mind.
Also: You are no whale.


btw: Did you take part in the decision to name this thing Hive?


Why (out of all people) did you have to stick your head out for this? 😔
I can't be mad at you.

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thanks for your comments. I have not been very active on Hive for a few years beyond maintenance of my servers, as I was fulltime overtime building a house. As I am slowly done with that I dabble with what is next in my life. Hive has given me much and I love to give back to hive.

I would not want to go to much into my personal behaviour or response of why I do or not do certain things. As it would take away too much about the core discussion at hand:

  • voting: busy to read all content and be a curator. Ok could put more into voting trails or curator teams. Sorry I have ignored you about this, don't take this personally. I am bad at dms and especially if I don't catch it via a notification it might be lost.
  • thx for Hivefest: Here I am dabbling with that spending on "a party for the happy few", although this year actually saw a great outcome imho with especially connections between local communities through ChainCulture and this meetup.
  • No I am no whale but I've vested 10 years in this platform thus it became part of my identity (like yours too :D)
  • The name was not propped up by me, I did the logo. It was one of the names coined during pre-fork times and resounded best with participants in group chats that time.
  • still open to read a concise summary of what you want fixed, specifically about the DHF spending which could be implemented. Note there are already voting structures in place and a return proposal.
  • Re: I can't be mad at you: You may :) But: I'm not the only one sticking my head out for this. As mentioned in a comment elsewhere on this page: During past meetups over the summer at several (mainly) EU events (from my side at least) we have been discussing this stuff between one-on-one conversations. The idea to do this meeting is as we were still all one-on-one touching on this subject during HiveFest week, idea arose to meet with 12 or so of us, to share the voices between a larger group.
    Where:
    -- "we" is random Hive-people attending these events
    -- "this stuff" is DHF spending, valueplan spending, attracting businesses, being more structured in a still decentralised way, accountability, criteria.

Ok could put more into voting trails or curator teams.

omg please don't!

I strongly recommend you read about the Stewards of Gondor. That program required no disbursement of funding at all. It was entirely done through modest delegations of ~5k. The Stewards were charged simply with upvoting content they liked, and cheaters that circlejerked or voted their own content (or their bots) were easily and quickly undelegated without substantial financial loss - because they were not given a plug nickel to steal.

It worked great and that is why it was never actually enacted, because it encouraged creators and made them more difficult to flag off the platform. That is exactly what we need to do to improve user retention and grow Hive.

Are you suggesting we should go back to draw funds from the posting rewards pool?
What a terrible idea...

I do not like delegations of that kind; It's why the content is so bad.

I don't see why the delegations can't come from the DHF. They just need to be converted to Hive first, which at this rate could be a very good buy. Perhaps you might have a look at what the Stewards of Gondor achieved with those delegations, as the content curated was generally high quality, and the creators were suitably encouraged by that curation they'd otherwise not have received.

The point of the delegations isn't to only support content you, or I, like. The Stewards aren't just random draws, but were handpicked by the delegator, whom funded the test of the idea himself. The point of the Stewards was to encourage user retention, and retention of active creators is either what Hive attains or we might as well just sell and bury it now. If your peremptory dismissal of the idea without any investigation of the actual results of the test is your best assessment, I've little use for it.

Look first. Then judge whether leaping is a good idea or not. If you want a Hive in which the only content is personally approved by you, then you might as well join HW and drive everyone else off.

I also think delegation is a very useful tool if utilized correctly. in my start on Steem i won a small delegation for 1 month… in my case that was one of the hooks that kept me here.

What's HW?

Hive is about voting with your own stake.
That is the whole point of this thing.
You wrote so yourself.

If I don't look at your stewards, that means: I want to kill Hive?
You are leaping.

I looked first.

"...share the voices between a larger group."

It is a common danger to be a victim of groupthink in institutional settings. In order to prevent that it is necessary to include people you don't generally converse with, to seek out and specifically include dissidents, those you disagree with, and particularly those that do not share the viewpoint common to your bubble.

It is notable that in science, every major change has come from outsiders, dissidents, and those that gatekeepers sought to silence. A patent clerk from Germany that barely passed university maths disproved Newton's physics, that had stood for centuries. Perhaps if physicists had courted more dissidents cosmology would have improved centuries prior.

Hive isn't as fundamental as physics. Hive can't last for centuries with the execrable user retention it has now. It should be very obvious that whales do not have the same interests as new users, so the mechanisms and principles they will propose and support won't reflect onboards and their needs. If you want Hive to grow - and unless it grows it will die - I strongly recommend asking users that fled the platform what it would take to get them back. I think I know what you'd learn from asking them, but I'd prefer if ya'll asked 1000 of them and learned it from them.