I’m not interested in just complaining though, a key point in my above comment was ‘I’m all about it (ie.hivewatcher protecting the chain), but the way they do it needs to be seriously refined.’Thanks for the response @hivewatcher
First off, i have absolutely not researched and do not have data. Data and research is not really my way. Truth is, @hivewatcher may very well be shielding the chain from more nefarious actors than chasing away good folks?! 🤷♂ Perhaps far more good is done. but there is no denying that good accounts have gotten wrapped up in @hivewatcher cases. And to me, any lost new accounts that could have become legit hive community members is unfortunate.
Perhaps i could have said my doubts with more clarity. What you refer to as ‘trolling’ is actually me writing to @alohaed who seemed a real human and thus someone worth showing empathy to and encouraging to stick around.
I do actively wonder, how many people have left because of being wrongly caught up in the @hivewatcher net, and i then naturally wonder how much value could have been added if said account had not left. Impossible data to know… but my emphasis is that for a platform like Hive that struggles with retention, any loss is not ideal.
And to that point, I’m more than happy to put my effort where my mouth is.
I’m willing to work on the overall tone…‘refining’ these auto posts so that they feel less accusatory and with more of an energetic of..’help us support keeping Hive free of abusive accounts.’
I see that the @hivewatcher initial auto posts asking for verification could be written a bit softer.
It is my opinion that @hivewatcher wants the best for the chain. From that place i say thank you. And i mean it when i say that I’m happy to volunteer my time in this ‘refining’ the way @hivewatcher feels to legit new accounts who are making noob mistakes.
To quickly address a few other points you made. My conversations at HIVEFEST were not with @chrisrice
And so you are aware no one i spoke with was taking an outright shit on @hivewatcher the conversation was more about accounts using down voting to protect hive… its clear most of these accounts care about the chain, but that maybe all accounts using downvotes didn’t see the detrimental effects of the way they were choosing to care.
As to my anecdotal musician friend. I can’t for the life of me remember his account name. I went through my friends list and couldn’t find it.
My recall was that it was in 2017 and so would have been steemwatchers
I believe that he was down voted for plagiarism. I also think i wrote steemwatcher at the time and was able to get the downvotes removed, yet he still never posted again. I recognize its all an unverifiable story at this point. I’ll try to go back to my earliest posts, i believe i reblogged the account once.
As to ‘its the onboarders responsibility to teach users that abuse is not tolerated’
To me id like to see a soft stick approach used first, then comes the hard stick after.
I’m not sure if that’s the most productive POV. Onboarding is no easy task. There is a large learning curve entering into Hive, for your average casual user it takes a long time to fully wrap your head around the ins and outs. Putting the onus on the onboarder to do the heavy lifting of explaining all the realities to be aware of on hive is a big ask. @hivewatcher and other established accounts that deal with onboarding or retention feels far more suited to guiding new users to the various hive rules and etiquettes.
No one who did not abuse left because of Hivewatchers. If any user left because of the plagiarism or other that they committed on Hive, it was their choice. No one forced them to leave. It was also their choice to abuse Hive.
In the end, they do abuse because they know that they will face no social consequences for their actions.
It is certainly not our responsibility to teach. Our role is to investigate abuse and minimise it.
It's not really that difficult for the onboarder to create a post which explains what type of activity is not welcome on Hive, even directing the user to the posts that we published in this matter. It would literally take a minute to send an onboarded user a link and ask to read it.
Many onboarders seem to have an attitude, that they will just invite someone and don't have to care. If any problems arrive, let Hivewatchers sort it out.
When you invite strangers to a friend's house, do you take responsibility for that guest or do you just let them get in and figure out for themselves how they should behave?
My offer to aide in softening the energetic of the auto messaging and instilling positive feelings about the good work being done remains. My offer to help is genuine. Small tweaks in language, tone, and energetic could make a world of difference.@hivewatcher im sorry that my responses appear to have made you feel defensive. This was not my intention.
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Can you tell me exactly how much old social media account you required ? because you always tell not recently created. Then i appeal again.
We need to see an established social media account where we can see the posts with photos matching the look of the person in your account.
As I said, you have evidently stolen someone's identity as the photos in your fake accounts were evidently created either for Facebook or Instagram.
not recently created i can't understand ? My youtube account is 15 days old and i post daily, is it verify ?