Hello.
No new accounts have been blacklisted unless they are evident part of a scam.
Some new accounts that committed abuse may receive reward equalisation on posts as a reprimand.
He thought it was like Reddit
Just because plagiarism and content theft are prevalent on Reddit (Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) since no one checks anything and cares about checking anything, it does not mean that it should have an automatic pass here.
It happened to an amazing musician I onboarded years ago.
He thought it was like Reddit and he posted interesting articles, hivewatchers blasted him for plagiarism and he never posted again.
The dude is so talented and a true loss.
hivewatchers could help guide and teach new users proper etiquette instead of destroying their rep and morals about Hive.
Could you please tell me the name of the account that was downvoted by us for fraud many years ago?
I would like to check up what was the case.
By the way, it is onboarder's responsibility to teach users that fraud/abuse is not tolerated on Hive.
It is not our responsibility to do your work for you.
I’m sure the chain has lost way more good accounts than they have protected the chain from abusers.
Certainly, those people chased away would have brought more value than some scammer account cost the chain.
Damn shame in my eyes.
It seems like you must have done a detailed analysis and research backed by evidence if you are well-informed about the work that we do. You seem to be very confident in spreading such opinions.
Could you please provide us with your detailed data and analysis of your evidence-backed research so we can look it up?
If you have no evidence to support your claims except for cherry-picked single cases of some abusers that showed up in the last few years, then it is just plain trolling likely based on emotional bias.
Last week I was at #hivefest in Mexico. Hive watchers and a few other downvoting accounts were heavily talked about as causing new users to leave.
Let me guess, it was heavily talked about with @chrisrice?
Full Discord conversation:
The account @alohead was reported to us and it seemed suspicious. It received some downvotes to prevent possible reward farming. The downvotes were later removed after verification as explained in Discord conversation.
Just in the last week alone, we blacklisted about 50 accounts for Identity theft/deception. By the way, @chrisrice. The first 43 were created using Dbuzz. I suspect now that dBuzz has no account creation verification of any sort (like email or phone) so scammers are free to generate accounts as they please.
aannaqueen
antanasia
arfaana
baifern
berenike
biannca
bongkoj
cryptolifedo
eunsook
feodora
frantiska
josefinna
kaashwi
katerynavolk
kieu
klavdiia
lihuaa
marklon
mayukoarai
meifenng
melissaparada
milaslava
misshoa
missluciaa
mrinmayi
na-ri
nabinchandra
nanyamka
niuning
omisha
prettymai
radovaan
rashandapawer
ruiting
safiye
sanaaya
saraheasy
soochiew
tiannaa
veliane
wowart
zaahirah
zhaniya
hannaw
ramatas
samiraa
tatara
zara8
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@nehir @safiye @arfaana @milaslav @feodora @josefinna @tiannaa @bongkoj @sanaaya @kieu @eunsook @na-ri @antanasia @nanyamka @veliane @zaahirah @frantiska @lihuaa @niuning @ruiting @klavdiia @misshoa @kaashwi @missluciaa @nabinchandra @radovaan
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Thanks for the response @hivewatcher
First off, i have absolutely not researched and do not have data. Data and research is not really my way. Truth is, @hivewatcher may very well be shielding the chain from more nefarious actors than chasing away good folks?! 🤷♂ Perhaps far more good is done. but there is no denying that good accounts have gotten wrapped up in @hivewatcher cases. And to me, any lost new accounts that could have become legit hive community members is unfortunate.
Perhaps i could have said my doubts with more clarity. What you refer to as ‘trolling’ is actually me writing to @alohaed who seemed a real human and thus someone worth showing empathy to and encouraging to stick around.
I do actively wonder, how many people have left because of being wrongly caught up in the @hivewatcher net, and i then naturally wonder how much value could have been added if said account had not left. Impossible data to know… but my emphasis is that for a platform like Hive that struggles with retention, any loss is not ideal.
I’m not interested in just complaining though, a key point in my above comment was ‘I’m all about it (ie.hivewatcher protecting the chain), but the way they do it needs to be seriously refined.’
And to that point, I’m more than happy to put my effort where my mouth is.
I see that the @hivewatcher initial auto posts asking for verification could be written a bit softer.
I’m willing to work on the overall tone…‘refining’ these auto posts so that they feel less accusatory and with more of an energetic of..’help us support keeping Hive free of abusive accounts.’
It is my opinion that @hivewatcher wants the best for the chain. From that place i say thank you. And i mean it when i say that I’m happy to volunteer my time in this ‘refining’ the way @hivewatcher feels to legit new accounts who are making noob mistakes.
To quickly address a few other points you made. My conversations at HIVEFEST were not with @chrisrice
And so you are aware no one i spoke with was taking an outright shit on @hivewatcher the conversation was more about accounts using down voting to protect hive… its clear most of these accounts care about the chain, but that maybe all accounts using downvotes didn’t see the detrimental effects of the way they were choosing to care.
As to my anecdotal musician friend. I can’t for the life of me remember his account name. I went through my friends list and couldn’t find it.
My recall was that it was in 2017 and so would have been steemwatchers
I believe that he was down voted for plagiarism. I also think i wrote steemwatcher at the time and was able to get the downvotes removed, yet he still never posted again. I recognize its all an unverifiable story at this point. I’ll try to go back to my earliest posts, i believe i reblogged the account once.
As to ‘its the onboarders responsibility to teach users that abuse is not tolerated’
I’m not sure if that’s the most productive POV. Onboarding is no easy task. There is a large learning curve entering into Hive, for your average casual user it takes a long time to fully wrap your head around the ins and outs. Putting the onus on the onboarder to do the heavy lifting of explaining all the realities to be aware of on hive is a big ask. @hivewatcher and other established accounts that deal with onboarding or retention feels far more suited to guiding new users to the various hive rules and etiquettes.
To me id like to see a soft stick approach used first, then comes the hard stick after.
No one who did not abuse left because of Hivewatchers. If any user left because of the plagiarism or other that they committed on Hive, it was their choice. No one forced them to leave. It was also their choice to abuse Hive.
In the end, they do abuse because they know that they will face no social consequences for their actions.
It is certainly not our responsibility to teach. Our role is to investigate abuse and minimise it.
It's not really that difficult for the onboarder to create a post which explains what type of activity is not welcome on Hive, even directing the user to the posts that we published in this matter. It would literally take a minute to send an onboarded user a link and ask to read it.
Many onboarders seem to have an attitude, that they will just invite someone and don't have to care. If any problems arrive, let Hivewatchers sort it out.
When you invite strangers to a friend's house, do you take responsibility for that guest or do you just let them get in and figure out for themselves how they should behave?
@hivewatcher im sorry that my responses appear to have made you feel defensive. This was not my intention.
My offer to aide in softening the energetic of the auto messaging and instilling positive feelings about the good work being done remains. My offer to help is genuine. Small tweaks in language, tone, and energetic could make a world of difference.
Hello.
We appreciate your feedback.
Thanks
Can you tell me exactly how much old social media account you required ? because you always tell not recently created. Then i appeal again.
We need to see an established social media account where we can see the posts with photos matching the look of the person in your account.
As I said, you have evidently stolen someone's identity as the photos in your fake accounts were evidently created either for Facebook or Instagram.
not recently created i can't understand ? My youtube account is 15 days old and i post daily, is it verify ?
Hi @logic @hivewatcher,
I have a few questions and some things to say:
Is it just me, or did your username change from @hivewatchers to @hivewatcher?
D.Buzz requires phone verification to create an account and we will eventually add non-KYC account creation for $10 USD each
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Hello.
The first one is almost entirely used for leaving comments related to reports/investigations.
The second one is almost entirely used for other types of communication
Introducing a fee is a good way to prevent scammers although I think that $10 USD is quite a high fee.
Probably $1-2 would be enough to prevent mass account creation by one scammer as it would be a too risky "investment" for a scammer unless it had almost guaranteed high auto upvotes.
Thank you @hivewatcher @hivewatchers I will look into how they are using fake phone numbers and get this addressed.
This is important, since we pay for account credits with RCs among other reasons for why it's important.
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@aashirrshaikh kindly read and review the above thread.
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