My wife and I are both Occupational Therapists working mainly with younger children on 'the spectrum', and with other youngsters with behavioual and development issues.
Not all of them had the MMR vaccine, one of them had no vaccinations.
Your nonsensical, illogical and ridiculous statements are one reason you will never get anyone to take you seriously or look any deeper into facts surrounding the issues.
Indoor plumbing? Proper Nutrition? in Africa and most of Asia? LOL have you ever been there ?
but hey, not interested are you ? No, youre only interested in your facts which only appy to your tiny corner of your cosy developed world. Look around.
In 2014 54,000 people died of measles, mostly under 5s, mostly in Africa where most of the 15% of children not vaccinated live and many of whom are under nourished.
As you will be aware, Measles was statistically eradicated from North and South America in 2016 compared to 3 to 4 documented cases before mass immunisation programs. This was not from clean water and healthy eating.
I dont care whats in it. I care about kids dying.
The anti vax movement only cares about 'big pharma' yawn..its like a personal crusade. Who gives a fuck how much money they make ? I care about the results of their products. And what exactly is your intended result ? Make all scientific research funded by government ? lol..tell me please, whats your alternative ?
"The horror is too great. Bowing to self-proclaimed "authority figures" in white coats with financial conflicts of interest can and sometimes does cost us our lives and our children's lives." Again, youre great at telling people what not to do, but your alternative is ???
"Of course we trust Science, Nathan007. It's Scientists we don't trust." What the hell does that mean ???
Seriously, stop being so selfish and look at the bigger picture.
Plenty of children have died from vaccines, Nathen. Plenty have been left with Autism or other life-altering diseases as a result. You have to at least consider that. I mean children and teens dying from cardiac problems, something that is not usual for someone so young. All after having their shots...makes you wonder.
I'm sorry, but that is a display of ignorance, in my opinion. How can you claim you do not care what they pump into your children? At the very least, you should have a basic knowledge of what is in the vaccine.
And seriously? plenty of kids, all over the world, have mysteriously died after being vaccinated, don't you care about those as well?
It's not about that. It's simple logic. If I can make huge amounts of money from a vaccine, wouldn't it make sense that I would want to sell it to as many people as possible? And why just one, why not make one every year, so that I get huge sums of money for each one?
You can, of course, assume that the manufacturers of these vaccines want what's good for you...but is that a risk you really want to take?
I don't see how she is "selfish" - does she personally benefit if you get vaccinated? I don't think so. You know who does? Big Pharma.
Or is she selfish 'cause she also looks at the many deaths linked to vaccines? I don't know, I think those should be part of the "bigger picture" too.
Again, no alternatives are offered.
Or are people seriously suggesting that NO vaccination is a serious alternative ?
And what statistics do you have to back up the fact that 'many kids have died after being vaccinated'. That statement itself is an invalid argument statistically !
How many children have NOT died after being vaccinated? Is there a geographical bias ? Are there any other contributing factors ? The dataset needed to produce some meaningful statistics is huge and there are no meaningful statistics linking huge numbers of childhood deaths or debilitating and chronic illness to vaccination.
Of course the manufacturers need to make money. Its a simple business model except emotion gets involved because its about health. Dont forget, the more they make, the more that gets spent on research and drug companies pay a lot of money to universities to conduct research. Yes, some of them make a lot of money, but not all of them and not always. Again, I ask you for an alternative ?
She is selfish, because she only cares about her cause and doesnt care one jot for parents of kids with autism for instance, some of whom are now piling guilt on themselves and blaming their kid's autism on their decision to vaccinate....She is also selfish because she is TELLING people not to vaccinate. In my original post, I said I'D made a decision based on my research, and I suggest to everyone to do their own, unbiased and objective reasearch..Im not telling anyone to do anything. Using emotional blackmail and accusing parents of 'playing russian roulette' with their babies lives is disgusting in the extreme. As the stats are in favour of NOT dying, to use her analogy, its the anti vax parents who are playing russian roulette.
And as for packaging and ingredient lists, they have to cover themselves against every even minutest possibilty, in the disgusting litigation led, blame everyone except yourself society of the USA, its all about covering your own arse.
Again, no comment on the measles example I gave.
I'm not saying there is zero link to possible death or autism, everything in life can cause side effects, we are all different and there is no 100%. Anyone can create links to anything with enough steps. No one is mentioning the huge and vast majority who haven't had any issues, and also don't have polio or measles and won't get cervical cancer.
The same 'big pharma' that produces cervical cancer vaccines also produces drugs to treat patients WITH cervical cancer..sooooooo they are costing themselves sales by selling the vaccines? As you can see, the economics are not as simple as the anti vaxxers like to present.
Ingredients debate, yet another logical fallacy as many of the ingredients used in vaccines that the anti vaxxers find objectionable are used in cosmetics ( is our next campaign against Big Lipstick?), or in the body as naturally occurring trace elements, formhaldahyde springs to mind as an example of this.
Finally, they tell us the number of children being diagnosed with autism is getting higher and higher....yes it is. Why ? because its being accepted and diagnosed more. Children have always been autistic as we know today, but 50 years ago, theyd have just been diagnosed as stupid or lazy or bad. So thats another common argument that doesnt stand up.
OK so, thats my point. Now, as I asked the previous poster and yourself, please offer us an alternative ?
Nathan007, I never even mentioned the MMR, did I. My alternative to injecting toxins and disease fragments is to stop injecting toxins and disease fragments, AND access to full proper nutrition, which is already documented in scientific journals as preventing and curing these "horrible" diseases. Ultimately, they are all simply the results of malnutrition.
You got something against the proper nutrition of Africa?
What I did mention was the DTAP vaccine package insert itself listing both SIDS & Autism as known adverse reactions of the DTAP vaccine. I mentioned how once parents noticed their own observations (SIDS & Autism from vaccines) documented in that package insert itself, how the industry then deceptively rewrote the DTAP package insert to rename "SIDS" to "Apnea", and to convert "Autism" to a mere list of Autism's symptoms. (Like that makes a difference.)
If you really are reading the research, please pay better attention to the details, and with a cynical eye.
Here are the Before & After copies of the DTAP vaccine package insert.
If you think this kind of fraud isn't widespread in the 100% liability-free vaccine industry, in order to fatten corporate profits, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Unless of course, you too have a vested interest in keeping the customer base coming for the Occupational Therapy industry.