Before I start a response I will allow myself to start with ad hominem.
You obviously created you account to troll feminist posts since day one a week ago.
Just because you claim that you are women does not make your argument more valid. Also your gender cannot be verified as you have never introduced yourself on Steemit. You have never even posted a single blog entry. I highly doubt that you are a woman.
You seem to be an example of keyboard anti-feminist warrior, I mentioned in my post.
Majority of the information you posted are links to sensationalist newspaper articles (such as right wing "Daily Mail" etc) and private blogs. Most of them are not coherent studies, research or reports (like the ones that I provided). Also, many of these links are irrelevant as they are about something completely different and don't support your argument about "people who mostly oppress women are other women. We live in a gynocenentric society. Women have more rights than both men and children".
I will give my response to scholarly links first and then some response to other remaining links.
Scholarly links:
I'm not sure if you have actually read those links they don't prove your argument in any way at all and many just prove my point.
"Nurses decry profession's 1:19 male-to-female ratio"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC81172/
There are more female nurses than male not because health sector is dominated by women as you attempt to claim, but because women have less chance in acquiring higher ranking positions within health care. There is certain social, patriarchal expectation for women to be satisfied with and take lower paid role within health care hierarchy than men. That's why there
are more male doctors then female. This actually proves the discrimination.
It is similar in many other sectors including corporate sector where men are more likely to get to higher managerial level while women are expected of perform lower hierarchy, lower paid jobs such as receptionist or office assistant.
"Why Do Women Outnumber Men in College"
http://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/w12139.html
It clearly says in this article that girls outnumber boys in college due to certain development advantage in childhood. Not because boys are discriminated. Also the rest of the article says nothing about discrimination of males but it points out that more and more women have been able to finish college or higher education within last decades.
"MISOGYNY ON TWITTER"
http://www.demos.co.uk/files/MISOGYNY_ON_TWITTER.pdf
This is a report which actually points out to the shocking intensity of male misogyny directed at women on social media.
"Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases"
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002
There is certain degree of discrimination towards men in justice system. I don't disagree with that. This bias is directly caused by the fact that majority of crime and violence is committed by men.
"Intolerance of sexy peers: intrasexual competition among women"
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1002/ab.20413/full
This points out to the fact how women are also conditioned by the values revolving around objectification of sexuality. Women become victims and agents of value system disorder. They are conditioned to behave in the way which also perpetuates their own objectification without realising it.
"Boys And Girls Are Cruel To Each Other In Different Ways -- But The Effects Are Equally Harmful"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/03/980326075743.htm
Another example of how conditioning towards certain social roles directly jeopardises sustainable child development causing aberrant behaviour both in boys and girls.
"Mean girls and queen bees: Females threatened by social exclusion will reject others first"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110224121907.htm
This study highlights the fact that some women in higher position are are likely to abuse women younger women in lower position. It points out that this behaviour is caused by the fact that these more powerful women had to go through a lot of discrimination by men when working very hard trying to get to their position. Once they reach this higher level position they project this hardship on subordinate women.
Some of the other links that you have posted:
http://www.nwlc.org/resource/affirmative-action-and-what-it-means-women
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act
http://www.theguardian.com/education/datablog/2013/jan/29/how-many-men-and-women-are-studying-at-my-university
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10684138/CBI-universities-should-set-diversity-targets-to-get-more-women-into-science.html
http://www.wisecampaign.org.uk/women/funding
http://www.inspiringenterprise.rbs.com/news-events/all-news/winners-inspiring-women-enterprise-grant-funding-announced
http://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/w12139.html
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/army-fitness-requirements/army-basic-training-pft
http://www.communities.wa.gov.au/grants/grants/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.wisecampaign.org.uk/
http://www.grantsforwomen.org
This list does not say anything about men being discriminated. It shows up different projects attempting to support women in order to minimize discrimination of women. Such projects are great and needed in order to fight gender inequality
"No men allowed: Londons first exclusively women-only members club opens breaking centuries of tradition"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217924/No-men-allowed-London-s-exclusively-women-members-club-opens.html
"Can Men Join Curves Gym?"
http://www.livestrong.com/article/391137-can-men-join-curves-gym/
These are examples of some rare gender discrimination. Sadly, some women think that equality is about having a right to gender exclusivity. Anyhow these few examples are nothing in comparison to tens of thousands of male exclusive places all over the world. Also, such female only places may have justified reasons to be open considering the intensity of objectification of women in our culture altogether with sexual preying. Women may simply need such places to feel psychologically safe, not because they want to discriminate males, as such.
http://mahan.wonkwang.ac.kr/link/med/feminism/work/main.html
http://travelswithnancy.com/women-ancient-rome/women's-daily-life.htm
Just because both medieval female and male farmers had to do manual labour does not mean that women were at the same level or higher in social hierarchy. Male farmers were the ones who had control over household and property. They decided who their daughters married and how much goods the other family had to offer in exchange for the memarriag, etc. Farmer's wives and daughters had little to no say.
Also, just because some ancient women had some rights given similar to men, does not mean that they were fully equal and treated as equal.
"I dont see modern feminists doing any work for the real oppressed women in the 3rd world countries"
You are obviously completely clueless about feminist activists in developing countries. You are also clueless if you think that feminism is only happening in developed countries.
"There is certain degree of discrimination towards men in justice system. I don't disagree with that. This bias is directly caused by the fact that majority of crime and violence is committed by men."
That's like saying it's okay to be racist because black people commit more crime on average.
This is why modern feminism is so hypocritical. Gender discrimination against woman is everywhere, but whenever there's evidence of discrimination against men: excuse after excuse. The fact is, men are much more likely to be homeless, more likely to be the victims of violent crime, horribly treated when it comes to divorce settlements and child custody, and as you agree, get longer sentences for the same crime. These issues are never addressed by feminists, despite being very serious problems, definitely more so than not having enough women in STEM fields.
With all these things considered, the whole "patriarchy" thesis is on pretty thin ice. At the very least, men and women are discriminated against roughly equally, just in different ways. But then it can hardly be called patriarchy, as neither gender really has the upper hand.
"That's like saying it's okay to be racist because black people commit more crime on average"
No it's not it's like saying that. And that's because I have not said that is ok...
I simply gave a reason why such discrimination happens. Please, don't make up things I have not expressed to create and argument to attack (the strawman fallacy)
"These issues are never addressed by feminists, despite being very serious problems, definitely more so than not having enough women in STEM fields."
That is your assumption which seems to have no basis in facts. I don't think that you have actually read the end of my post.
Anyway, despite that feminism often pays attention to equality for men, it is normal that it is mostly focusing on equality for women. That's why it is called feminism. Different groups of people fight for different types of equality. Some mainly focus on equality for certain race or social group, some other focus on animal rights or rights of certain gender etc.
"At the very least, men and women are discriminated against roughly equally, just in different ways. But then it can hardly be called patriarchy, as neither gender really has the upper hand"
Please, actually read my post carefully. I will just copy what I already wrote above as an answer as it seems that you have not read it:
"Of course, besides being patriarchal our culture is also constructed around other forms of discrimination such as deep social and racial discrimination. In "Western" countries people in power are mostly white males who use their position of social and economical privilege to exploit lower social classes (social stratification and class violence) while discriminating all genders and races. That's one of the main reasons why men from lower classes are drafted to the army, etc."
To add. Discrimination towards men mostly comes from other men not from women.
But you say it is okay to discriminate against men by giving them longer sentences for the same crime because men commit more crime. Hence, the hypocritical feminism.
"That is your assumption which has no basis in facts." - No, it's not an assumption. Show me one feminist group that has ever campaigned against any of the issues that I mentioned. And the thing is, when men's rights groups do pop up, feminists like yourself call them sexists and shut down their events.
And I don't see how that last paragraph addresses my point about how patriarchy is a misnomer. If it's true that men are also discriminated against by the "patriarchy," then it's not a patriarchy.
"That is your assumption which has no basis in facts." - No, it's not an assumption. Show me one feminist group that has ever campaigned against any of the issues that I mentioned. And the thing is, when men's rights groups do pop up, feminists like yourself call them sexists and shut down their events."
Once again. Read the end of my article.
The problem with "men's rghts" groups is that they do not address the root causes of discrimination of men which is value system disorder, unsustainable gender roles or influence on society by small group of powerful men, etc. (exploitation and abuse towards men almost always comes from other men rather than women. Usually men are those who decide about social laws and policies).
Instead, the first thing they do is attacking feminists. Feminists are not the cause of discrimination towards men. Discrimination towards man has evolved through many centuries intensified by different factors (as mentioned before, such as social stratification, control of society by small group of powerful males etc). The "men's rights groups" seem to not be about the actual fight for equality of genders but they rather appear to be a group of angry men with hurt ego who try to attack feminists and falsely try to blame them for certain types of discrimination completely not related to feminism.
"But you say it is okay for men to be given longer sentences for the same crime. Hence, the hypocritical feminism"
I think that you may have some problems with cognition. Nowhere in my comments or post I said anything near to that. You are welcome to provide exact quotation showing where I said that...
I will just repeat once again. I simply gave a reason why such discrimination happens. Please, don't make up things I have not expressed to create and argument to attack (the strawman fallacy).
Btw, you used logical fallacy, so let me use mine. Some ad hominem for ya. I find it quite peculiar that you joined Steemit few hours ago and the first post you commented on was my post. I smell another anonymous keyboard warrior troll, just like the other guy above in the comment section.
I'll tell you what: let's debate this over Skype. That way we can get a lot more done in a lot less time. You can record it and post it to your blog. Just give me a twitter or reddit account and I'll direct message you my information.
I have no time to debate something over Skype. I already spend a lot of time here.
I'm giving you an opportunity to actually have an effective conversation, rather than this useless back-and-forth. If you really care about creating change, you have to convince people like me. You should take the olive branch. I'm willing to come forward and not hide behind a computer for the sake of creating greater understanding and positive change. Are you?
After all, these are the conversations that you trying to prepare people for with this post. Why wouldn't you set an example for such conversations?
"After all, these are the conversations that you trying to prepare people for with this post. Why wouldn't you set an example for such conversations?"
Please, do not use logical fallacy called "appeal to emotion".
"Are you?"
My identity is not anonymous here.
I'm not here to convince/change anyone. I just share the information and facts. It is up to people to read and explore and hopefully change their views.
This'll be my last post, but I just wanted to say that you are a perfect example of the hypocritical feminist. You keep calling me out for using supposed logical fallacies, when the very first thing you did in this entire thread was use an ad hominem fallacy.
You ask people to have conversations and to try and convince people, but you refuse to do so yourself. (I can only assume because on some level you know that your beliefs don't hold up when confronted face-to-face)
You list off all the discrimination against women in society, but won't mention any of the proven discrimination against men. And when these things are pointed out, you say that feminism is only supposed to focus on women's rights, which is not only contradictory to your own post, but also contrary to what most feminists claim-again, hypocritical.
You also use a straw man fallacy against men's rights groups, claiming that all they do is hate feminists, which is untrue. As I mentioned before, feminists have shut down men's rights events that had nothing to do with them, but were only trying to raise awareness of men's issues.
I don't even necessarily disagree with a lot of things in your post, but no rational person can take this seriously when you ignore the problems that men also face, and then proceed to demonize the men's rights groups that are trying to address them.
"This'll be my last post, but I just wanted to say that you are a perfect example of the hypocritical feminist. You keep calling me out for using supposed logical fallacies, when the very first thing you did in this entire thread was use an ad hominem fallacy"
I clearly stated that I'm going to use ad hominem before using it. There is no hypocrisy in honest informing someone about using logical fallacy, so your current argument/logical fallacy is invalid (you just used type of ad hominem called "appeal to hypocrisy")
"You ask people to have conversations and to try and convince people, but you refuse to do so yourself. (I can only assume because on some level you know that your beliefs don't hold up when confronted face-to-face)"
Nowhere in my post I said that I try to convince anyone. This post is meant to be "an informational bomb" as help for anyone who wants to debate thiss issues with anyone. I clearly stated that, I'm not here to convince/change anyone. I just share the information and facts. It is up to people to read and explore and hopefully change their views."
I also said that I don't have time for Skype as I already spend enough time on Steemit. I mentioned in the post that I created Steemit "feminism" channel. Users are welcome to join it and have debates.
"You list off all the discrimination against women in society, but won't mention any of the proven discrimination against men. And when these things are pointed out, you say that feminism is only supposed to focus on women's rights...."
This post is about discriination of WOMEN, not men. FEMINISM IS ABOUT DISCRIMINATION OF WOMEN NOT MEN. IF SOMEONE CREATES FEMINIST POST/ARTICLE, IT MEANS THAT THEY FOCUS ON THIS TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION. Same as activists figthing against discrimination of Native American (as an example) focus on this particualr ethnic group, not on Irish immigrants.
Word Feminism comes from French "feminisme" (womanhood) so it refers to women not men. It is not a priority of feminist activism to focus on discrimination of men. Although, like I said laready, many feminists point out or fight against discrimination of men too - AS I MENTIONED 3 TIMES ALREADY, THAT I GAVE EXAMPLES OF IT IN THE END OF MY ARTICLE. THE PART WHICH YOU PERSISTENTLY REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
"which is not only contradictory to your own post, but also contrary to what most feminists claim-again, hypocritical."
Read the above answers in this comment.
"You list off all the discrimination against women in society, but won't mention any of the proven discrimination against men. And when these things are pointed out, you say that feminism is only supposed to focus on women's rights, which is not only contradictory to your own post, but also contrary to what most feminists claim-again, hypocritical"
Like I explained above, there has been no single men's right group which actualyl focused on fighint for men's rights by focusing on the actual root causes of the discrimination (social-systemic issues). They instead all seem to have focused on attacking feminists for different reasons, such as protecting patriarchal traditions of male/female roles (men work, women cook and breed etc), their right to objectification (using fallacious "it's man's nature" argument), etc.
"I don't even necessarily disagree with a lot of things in your post, but no rational person can take this seriously when you ignore the problems that men also face, and then proceed to demonize the men's rights groups that are trying to address them".
Refer to my other answers in this comment.