And no, a woman is NOT just supposed to accept violations of self-sovereignty, Luke. If you hear me saying that, then I’ve not communicated well and I apologize. When self-sovereignty is actually really violated, the women should take action to protect themselves and men should assist in protecting them.
But what I’m suggesting is that both men and women reconsider what constitutes a violation of self-sovereignty. Is the touch inherently offensive (what makes a pat on the back different from a pat on the ass)? Do other creatures in nature react with similar offense and sense of violation to being so touched? If humans never had religion and parents had never been super paranoid (in an age without birth control or abortion) about their daughters getting knocked up by some schmuck, would human females always and in most every instance STILL be offended, violated and/or terrified by a little pat on the rear?
If not,then perhaps that automatic reaction of feeling like self sovereignty has been violated isn’t natural or normal. Perhaps its a result of years of being traumatically conditioned by a patriarchy that is more concerned about scaring its daughters away from the cabanna boy (so as to appease the moralizers and protect family honor) than it is about helping those daughters fully embrace their sexual interests and power. If that is true at all (and I don’t see how anyone can reasonably argue that it’s at least not partially true), then overthrowing the patriarchy absolutely requires overcoming (or at least re-examining) those feelings of being violated by every glance or touch, or at a minimum not terrorizing the next generation in the same way we have all past ones.
I have raised this issue (that the feeling of self-sovereignty being violated is conditioned through trauma rather than a natural aand healthy feeling) several times now and you’ve not responded. Do you agree that we have traumatized our daughers for generations in order to protect ourselves from the moralizers, preserve family honor and (pre birth control and abortion) to protect them from raising a schmuck’s child? I hope so, because I don’t see how this point can be seriously challenged.
If so, do you see how this systematic trauma (that denies women natural control over their own sexual decisions and if/how they use their sexuality) is itself the real source of the patriarchy?
If so, then do you see how overthrowing the patriarchy requires at a minimum that we STOP doing that to women and, ideally, that we work to rehabilitate those women (which is essentially all women) who have been so damaged?
And finally, if so, then do you see how rehabilitating them involves inviting and/or challenging them to seriously ponder and grapple with these issues (regarding the source of their feelings) rather just habitually reinforcing their conditioning (as you seem to be doing) that any unsolicited pat on the rear or kiss on the cheack is always necessarily an insult to their sovereignty?
If you answer that last question “no”, then please explain why. Again, why is an unsolicited pat on the back NOT an affront to their sovereignty but a pat on the ass IS? What’s the natural (non-conditioned) explanation for this feeling? Why is it not an affront to self sovereignty for a male to nonconsesually slap another male’s rear (as often happens in athletics or even business, for example, sometimes replacing the “high five” as an atta boy), but it is automatically an affront to self sovereignty (in your view) for a male to slap a women’s rear? Again, what’s the natural (unconditioned) explanation for this distinction?
Isn’t the real distinction just the fact that one is deemed potentially sexual while the other is not? If so, then why is that distinction relevant? Do you think that women NATURALLY fear men’s sexual interest and that this fear is not conditioned?
If so, then...why? Can you think of other instances in nature where that’s the case? Female bonobos are notoriously promiscuous. They have essentially zero fear over male sexual interest. Female chimps are less so, but they still seem to show little to no fear when a would-be usurper (to the alpha male) comes calling.
I contend that the human female’s great fear and sense of violation is a consequence only or primarily of traumatic moralizing by her parents and her religious authorities. If you have a better explanation, I’d love to hear it. And, if you don’t, then how can you not work along with me to challenge and overthrow that conditioned response so carefully enforced by the partriarchy for so long?