Last week I asked the question of if there was death before Adam.
I got many great and varied responses.
Some where dismissive of the whole Eden story, seeing it simply as a fairy-tale or fiction.
Others saw much of metaphor in the Eden account while for others it was a real head scratcher.
Still others hold dogmatically to the idea that Adam was the first to introduce death into the world and that anything (meaning the eaten fruit) that transpired before that was magically or miraculously taken care of.
So here are a couple of my thoughts, but before that a little look at what the biological purpose of death is.
If a population is able to reproduce then their numbers increase. If numbers continue to increase unabated then soon a population will run out of the resources required to sustain life. Death is the necessary mechanism to maintain a balance of resources.
Death is an absolute biological necessity.
Lets take for instance the simple example of how many rats you get from one pair in one year. If you start with a pair, then each female reproduces 10 babies every 2 months
Let's assume 50% of the babies are female.
- After 2 months- 6 males, 6 females.
- After 4 months- 36 males, 36 females.
- After 6 months- 216 males, 216 females.
- After 8 months- 1296 males, 1296 females.
- After 10 months- 7776 males, 7776 females.
- After 12 months- 46656 males, 46656 females.
93 312 rats, assuming that none of them die.
By three years that's close to half a billion rats... just from one pair.
Now just imagine the numbers when we start to consider some fish or amphibians that produce millions of eggs per spawning.
Some insects are so prolific and their reproductive cycles are so much shorter, that if some of them were to reproduce unchecked and none were to die - forget about food for them, they would cover the entire planet in a layer composed entirely of themselves a few meters thick, within a year.
Then, we haven't even begun to think of bacteria, whose reproductive cycles are measured in hours and minutes. They may be microscopic but they still account for the largest amount of biomass on the planet. They are even found kilometers deep under the ground gnawing away at solid rocks.
If bacteria reproduced unabated the entire planet would be overwhelmed pretty rapidly.
Simply, from a Darwinian perspective, the purpose of an organism is to be born, reproduce some offspring that are slight variations of themselves and then exit the scene as quickly as possible.
This is to cut down the amount of competition for resources between parents and the next generation. The faster the cycle can repeat itself, the faster the environment will select for better adaptions and the species will evolve.
The smallest, simplest and most prolific organisms evolve the fastest. That is why, in one bacterial infection, if a person does not complete the course of antibiotic medicines they are given, a drug resistant strain may emerge.
The case of the common cold virus is evolution in action.
It's in an evolutionary arms race against the human immune system, and every year a new strain or two must emerges that the human immune system hasn't seen before, because if it doesn't adapt it will die out due to the fact that once a person has had that strain of the flu, they become immune to it going forward.
So simply put, if Adam was immortal in the garden of Eden along with the rest of the animals there that could not have been the intended end state.
Eden was of limited geographical extent with finite resources.
It was, after all eastward of something else.
What was going on outside of Eden? and if Adam and eve were able to reproduce before becoming mortal and were in fact to stay immortal and produce immortal offspring even if Eden was the entire planet it would have become pretty crowded pretty quickly.
By now there would not have even been standing room left...
Previous parts of this Series.
Were the seven days of creation in Genesis seven twenty four hour periods? - Delving a little deeper
Were the seven days of creation in Genesis seven twenty four hour periods? - Into the detail
Were the seven days of creation in Genesis seven twenty four hour periods? - Some conclusions
Were the seven days of creation in Genesis seven twenty four hour periods? - Some more conclusions
Were the seven days of creation in Genesis seven twenty four hour periods? - The implications.
The evolution of Adam - a conundrum
The evolution of Adam - Who is Adam
The evolution of Adam - Two trees and choice
The evolution of Adam - Partaking of the fruit and feeling naked
Some time ago I wrote an article about one of the biological reasons why we have to die.
There I also pointed out that the concept to die and give ones genes to the next generation most of the time seems to be superior in evolution compared to the concept of immortality (which actually exists as well). The reason for that is that it allows to adapt more easily to a changing environment according to the motto "we age because the world changes" - also computer simulations seem to confirm that.
Wow! It is very amazing!
When does one consider this great universe we supposedly have out there?
(Stories from government agencies and privately owned companies about voyages and orbiting satellites, space missions, etc..)
Assuming "overpopulation" was the cause for creating death..
What about the fact that we haven't truly overpopulated this planet yet?..
Not even close.. (With the consideration that others' greed is the only thing preventing all these families and places from being more inhabited.)
So if death is to keep us from overpopulating.. Why is there such a vast universe out there? To expand into.. To break through "limits" to reach.. To forever explore.. To learn to inhabit..
That's the only real question I have when it comes to this. I don't claim to know much about religion or the bible or any of that, as I'm agnostic.. I believe that a book created by man will never and has never been "God's word" as it has been put through too many hands of men and we know the nature of men..
I do believe it's interesting to think about and discuss though! Very well-written post, keep the interesting content up, this is the type of stuff that's eye-opening and mind-expanding! Love it! :)
@kainmarx Yes, there is such a vast universe out there but as of the moment, people are still living in a planet called earth. We may haven't truly overpopulated this planet yet but we already abused our resources. We consume more than what we needed. If there is no death, just imagine what will earth looks like.
Have you seen Soylent Green? If you haven't, I highly recommend it. It was a 1973 film but the content of that film is evergreen. The movie shows how the earth looks like in the future and how overpopulated they are. In a week they are only given a gallon of water per person. It's an all around water so people no longer showers. Lakes, rivers, and the like no longer exists nor trees, grass, and flowers. I don't even remember seeing any other animals aside from rats. The only food they have is biscuits. There are a green, yellow, and red biscuits. People's favorites are the green biscuits. It was given to them freely by the government but after distributions bulldozer visits and take as many people as they can. Fast forward... a detective accidentally found out that his and other people's favorite green biscuits are made of humans.
yummy
I believe death had to be created so that no (human) evil could live forever.. So that no sin could truly continue to persist.. As in, those who wish to do bad, will eventually all have to die.. Leaving less bad and less negative in the world.. If we all worked together, raising new generations on ideals that could work.. We could potentially run sin out of the human bloodline.. Just a thought as well. :)
But @kainmarx, everyone dies. Even so-called good people.
The universe is great, of course.!
Infant mortality rates were very high in past millennia, remove that from the equation and you would have a vastly different scenario on this earth well before possible space travel.
Very good point there, what also comes to mind is why GOD will specifically Tell man to fill or populate the earth
I agree with you @gavvet, if all were immortal, then such planets as the Earth would need thousands, or even more :)
Life has to remain mysterious. So newborns will ask more questions.
If man will be immortal, then we won't have time to post on steemit because probably, what we'll be doing is just eat and sleep all day ^_^
agree
Every word is correct
@gavvet - An interesting question. I think some sort of destructive force (whether in the form of death or not) would have been essential to counter the force of creation. Balance has always been the key theme of the universe. Therefore, the concept of death may have been tagged on after the concept of mortality came along but recognition of the fact that some destructive force would have existed even before Adam is what I believe.
You have given a great example of the scenario that would get created if death was non-existent. I remember reading about the rabbits multiplying during my school days.
Thanks for this thought provoking article. Upvoted full.
Death is necessary I think and that is why the creator allowed it to exist.
yup
From what I can read in Genesis, there was no procreating of humans until we ate the forbidden fruit.
The first passage I saw mentioning bearing children is right when God is scolding them for eating the fruit and kicking them out of Eden. God tells Eve how now she will bear children and how Adam will have to earn from the sweat of his brow. (Genesis 3: 1-20)
Nice post @gavvet! Yeah I guess even I can't help but to ask the same question why death is needed to exist. When I was a kid, all I thought is because man committed sin but now when I look at it, if man will be immortal forever, then the Earth will not be big enough for us to fit in it. Even space will eventually be crowded.
We can however consider the possibility that anything that evolved or was designed to be immortal would commensurately have either longer gestational periods, fewer offspring (or BOTH) -- or no offspring at all Even in nature in real life, we see that longer lived lifeforms have fewer kids -- case in point, humans.
Looking further on the immortality front, there's that jellyfish (T. nutricula or something) that doesn't die of old age; instead it reverts to earlier stages in its life cycle and grows up again.
You know, I just gotta say first, I just got back from a tiring day at work. I was pissed off on the way home because of the crowd in the buses and trains.
Then I came home to read this and instantly felt relief. Society is all work and stress, and reading these philosophical matters is a great break.
So thanks @gavvet.
Anyway, I can't really say much about the purpose of death except that we aren't supposed to perfectly know the purpose.
People like to say, "Things for a reason."
Well, sometimes that reason is that we aren't supposed to know the reason.
That's it. Death no matter what, will always be a mystery for every living person has not crossed over yet.
A lot scientific info to digest. Perhaps the creation story is just a metaphor. I don't know but I sure that Adam dying meant he was seperated from the source of life, which is God himself. And in christianity that's what death is really all about. In the book of revelations, it is refered to as the second death: eternal seperation from the creator and giver of life. Great work! Very insightful.
Interpreting this post as a kind of argument, I have the following to say:
First, you seem to be conflating death with aging. For instance, in your first several sections, you present an argument for why death is necessary. Let's say we grant you that: death is necessary. But then you go on to say that "This is to cut down the amount of competition for resources between parents and the next generation." Well here's a way to cut down on the competition: have the kids die.
I mean, there are organisms that, for all we know, are immortal. Whether you (a) keep on living, or (b) have two children that each share 50% of your DNA and then die, or (c) have one child that shares 100% of your DNA and then die, is all the same. So why pick the second way?
In other words, you haven't explained aging. You have explained death. But death can be achieved in a number of ways (a, b, c), parents dying (b) being just one of them.
Secondly, I think you may have put the cart before the horse. Animals reproduce more when they die more, they don't die more because they reproduce more. In other words, if elephants had a very successful predator that killed most of their offspring, or if they had rich food sources, then elephants would adjust by producing more offspring to offset the killing of the offspring by the predator, or to take advantage of the rich food sources.
Third, though this may be the second point reversed, if resources are scant, one possible adaptation is for nature to make the rats/bacteria/fish to produce less offspring, so there won't be as much competition between the offspring.
Fourth, you're treating death as some sort of force of nature, keeping numbers in check, but it's unclear how it works. To me it's just self-evidently true that no organism can grow beyond the environment's ability to sustain that growth. There's no need to bring death into the picture, it's more like a metaphor.
I think this is false. It sounds like teleology. I don't think creatures aim to evolve. I don't think mutations happen with foresight, or purpose. If the environment has been stable for a long time, cells that tend to make errors in copying themselves will disappear, since by definition all mutations will be less adaptive (since the environment is stable and we assume adaptation has reached a saturation point). So organisms will tend to produce very faithful versions of themselves. If on the other hand the environment changes often, then either cells making more errors will be favored, or else the same number of errors but more offspring (as in bacteria). But there's no need to talk of purposes: it no more serves an organism to produce variations of itself than it serves a warbler to raise a cuckoo.
Sure, the competition is decreased, but so are the chances of the species survival if the environment changes for the worst... that species will have less variety and potentially beneficial adaptations to survive radical change in environment.
So the question is, does natural selection favor the species that bets on one horse or many, which is more likely to be a successful strategy? It's not that the species picks it or plans it, its just the way selection works.
Strong selection environments will favor species that age and die once they have performed their reproductive duties unless there is some beneficial aspect of having them around for longer.
More complex and social species that provide added benefit will tend to live longer as a result because selection will favor lines that don't age and die as quickly if the survival benefit of being around longer is significant.
The purpose of the post was hardly intended to be an exhaustive discourse on evolutionary biology. The discussion was around how feasible immortality is given that reproduction is taking place....
Two questions that come up when evaluating the biblical account of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden before the fall.
The "argument" as you see it is hardly along the lines you are pursuing.
If I use the word "purpose" its simply for easier readability to a wider audience.
Correct, none do but those that do have a better chance of survival in a changing environment.
I understand now. We agree. I was just picking on the language I guess.
yip, agree we do, It's just a little semantics that got in the way, but thanks for the detailed engagement on the subject.
Hi gavvet!
Recently I wrote a post that kinda somewhat relates to our discussion here, in the sense that often metaphor gets mixed up with literal-talk. I basically have this idea that the survival/self-preservation instinct does not exist! I'm not gonna ask you to read my post cos it's overlong, but I would appreciate it if you read the much briefer comment here in response to a post by kyriakos, and if you'd kindly comment, either there, or here, or via DM (my handle is the same on steemit.chat), or whatever, I'd just like the opinion of someone who is versed in these things, and you seem to be a biologist, though I don't really know.
https://steemit.com/biology/@kyriacos/fixed-action-patterns-the-heart-and-soul-of-survival-instincts#@alexander.alexis/re-kyriacos-fixed-action-patterns-the-heart-and-soul-of-survival-instincts-20170922t095535069z
According to the Bible. In book of Ezekiel, that Lucifer who is called Satan after he reveal against God from heaven was thrown here on Earth including all the black angels or demons. It is estimated that 1/3 of Angels in Heaven go with Lucifer. When Lucifer and One third of Angels were thrown on Earth the Earth was void and empty. It's very clear that there in no people before Adam and it's only Angels in heaven are alive. I believed if there are human being or people before Adam they will not die they were immortal but according to the Bible there were no people live on earth before Adam and Ever. According tot he Book of Genesis When Adam was created by God by taking the clay/soil form of a man and God breath on his nostril cause that soil/clay become living creature and God called him Adam, And while Adam is alive in Garden of Eden He is immortal why? He did not committed sin. Sin is stepping against the law of God and after years passed Adam was lone and God created Eve our of his womb and that is why God called her woman because she is created from the womb of a man. It is very clear that before God gave commandment to them Adam and Eve is immortal but the moment they violate the law of God which Gods says Do not eat the fruit of good and evil on the tree at center of the garden and God said if you eat that fruits of good and evil you will surely die which means on that moment before violating the law of God of not to eat that fruits of good and evil they are immortal. They became mortal when they follow Satan in the Garden. Because the Serpen who is Satan twist the commandment of God by saying if you eat that fruits of good and evil you will surely not die but you will become like GOD. When Eve heard that she tried to eat and give some to Adam. So that's scene that she eat and Adam also eat they become mortal and God told them Now you can't eat any foods here in Paradize but you surely work and produce foods. Adam and Eve were thrown out of paradise and God told them you become mortal and the Book of Psalm said your life is numbered up to 70 only average.
I would beg to differ I am afraid. My interpretation is that death is needed to sustain life because you need decomposing matter to feed the chain from the bottom up, otherwise we would all starve. Bacteria included.
And the reason why many species produce so much offspring is because the chances of survival of each offspring is really low or their lifespan is really short, and that is rather evident on us humans. The average family only 100 yrs ago could easily produce 7-12 offspring that would live to see 50 maybe. The more developed, the higher the likelyhood of survival and the longer the lifespan, the lower the birth rate.
As for the resource based limitation of numbers... in that, us humans, present a paradox. In some places, excess resources have not resulted in increased populations in 'developed' countries. Whereas in places with high birth rates scarcity of resources (like food and water) continues to increase...
Thanks for sharing though. Nice to give the neuron a bit of a workout so late in the week!
Those are all valid points too, just not covered in this post. This was more about what would happen if immortals reproduce in a finite environment.
Did you say finite environment? Records has it that the earth keeps expanding, and as to How it's happening no one knows
Damn wasnt especting to read something like this today, gonna follow the series to open my mind a little bit, THANKS FOR SHARING!
I believe death was always figured into life. If nothing died the earth would never be able to sustain everything on it.
Hello friends...
I found this post in "trends" and I was struck by the topic they deal with. After reading for a while, I concluded that in order to understand the purpose of the topic I should read the previous posts, and I have done so.
I want to clarify that I do not pretend to be theologian or anything like that, so what I write here is only my humble opinion of what I have learned and read from and in the bible. From the book of Genesis to the Apocalypse, we can note the existence of a thread that unites or interweaves each verse, every prophecy, every principle or law, as well as every theme there narrated and every spiritual truth expressed; this thread is what constitutes the eternal purpose of God revealed in Christ Jesus. That is, the purpose of God is in creation and redemption. There was an Adam who represents humanity and if he had never sinned and would not have had to leave Eden, we would not be discussing this issue today, nor any other that would allow us to question and decide whether or not we believe.
Now the point is that Adam sinned and lost all the privileges God had bestowed upon him, but since God's purpose is eternal and the desire of his heart is that man, his ultimate creation, be able to dwell eternally with Him, justice gave man the ability to choose, what we call "free will." In other words, God's desire is for man to dwell eternally with Him, but it must be a voluntary act and not an imposition. That is why, just as there was a first Adam, through whom the separation from God occurred, second type of Adam represented in Jesus Christ is the reunification of man and God, is the bridge that eliminates that separation. As Adam represents the created humanity, Christ represents the new spiritual humanity.
Thanks for this opportunity.
@gavvet. For me, the issue of death has to do with how it is perceived. And that perception is one that is dictated by our institutions, especially the religious ones. We can agree that there is nothing wrong with being sick or dying. You mentioned that it would be impossible for everything to go on. A more fundamental question, however, is, if we could postpone our deaths indefinitely, we would not. This is not how we, collectively, have sought to evolve. Death is the way maker, and birth is renewal. But we have been taught to fear death. It is a terrible disease from which our culture suffers. This I think is the main issue and it is something that I will be writing about not long from now. That said thanks for this post. It gives one something to think about.
I agree with this fully. I think we as humans have an attachment to life that makes us fear death and see it as this looming evil, but really, we are here consuming energy, consuming life for 80 odd years, we should be proud in knowing our bodies will become the energy and nutrients that feeds the earth. It's all a cycle of which we are such a tiny segment - so live or die just be grateful to exist right now!
The biological purpose of Fruit is and was to die. Fruit has life, to eat fruit would mean death for that fruit in the sense that it would cease to exist as a living fruit.
Its life energy passed to Adam and Eve when they ate the fruit. In its death the fruit helped Adam and Eve to live. In the process that fruit would "die".
And in the end the seeds of that fruit would return to the earth and give birth to a new fruit tree that would in time and in season give birth to more fruit. A cycle of Life and Death and Rebirth.
Therefore, yes, death existed at the time of Adam and Eve and it existed for a biological purpose.
Geneisis 1:29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. [New International Version > https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+1%3A29&version=NIV]
Resources on Earth are finite, and the resources of the Universe may be finite too. But the space of the Universe is infinite so a more evolved species, that uses less and less resources may cheat death for a long time.
What are some of the resources you are referring too? I think of food and environmental toxins that are harmful to the human body. Let's say a human ate the correct diet once a day and fast others... Exercised was not subjected to harmful environmental toxins, physical danger etc... (if this is a good example) given a length of time the average person in this society could live 150 years+???
Life uses these resources to resist harmful environment and go beyond.
Resources for energy , like food and water. Even the space for living could be a resource if it turns out to be finite.
agree
...finite space or just too hard to reach.
Hello Friend Nice Post by You
Unlike rats, humans can choose to have fewer children... or zero!
Unlike rats, humans can use their minds to engineer the universe and create abundance.
I want to live 10,000+ years and the tech to do it is being developed right now.
If you, Dear reader share my interest in #longevity please follow @flc :)
Agreed @ freedomengineer. We are God's creation and have been given the gift of discernment, separating us markedly from the animals, should we choose it so. We are called to be good stewards of the earth, which also includes proper management of resources. My hope is we will all learn to make better use of our many gifts!
righht....\
sounds good to me
Muy buena deducción y los demas temas muy intresantes!!!
If hell and heaven exists, does it mean that hell and heaven has over population issues too? I mean, everyone dies and it's either you go to heaven or go to hell.
Anyway, thank you for the well thought post. This post made me think.
wondering when did reproduction start ,did eden animal 2 and 2 pairs of all animala in the garden, when did mammals start to haw sexuall reproduction dna genetics.
was there sex before death. was the first creations made witouth the need for death ,if noa was 700 adam even older got two sons, 900 years fucking like rats shorter lifespan more reproduction . was adam a testrun god got bored by so he made more for winnershans of amusment.
anyone thinking like me ,please respond
love your post will read all and follow
Ultimately, all biological living elements are information processing elements that increases entropy of the Universe through reproduction. The ultimate goal of evolution is to process information better (e.g. humans better than apes) and evolve. That's why in future, we may merge our biological bodies with machines and may live forever to process information of the Universe. Foretold story of Adam without death will fulfill in reverse way.
Evolution is infact not a real thing at all...Darwin at last himself dismissed that MONKEY FIASCO story
Adam is the first creature of God...most of people believe that, except Darwin who has crazy theory that man derived from an ape.
Looks authentic! Really it's been such a long time since human birth and see we are right now!! ✌️Thanks for sharing man!
What if the intent of Adam and his descendants was to replace the fallen angels that Lucifer brought down with him. If that was the purpose, then Lucifer would have a HUGE motivation to destroy us (humans). Lucifer, being jealous of God, must not have been too pleased that He made man "...in the image of God..."
Lucifer could have chosen to hate any other planet and creation of God, but he chose to hate us.
Nothing makes sense if we apply the limitations of human science to bigger questions....
There are many perspectives to this issue. From a biological point of view, resources are limited, and may not be able to cope with an ever increasing population with death. From a spiritual point of view, God is infinite and He can make resources infinite.
really love this article keep u the good work
According to Abrahamic religious teachings, the children of Adam and Eve were born twins, that is, every baby boy was born together with a baby girl. Adam marries his son with his daughter who is not her twin.
According to Ibn Humayd, Ibn Ishaq, and Salamah, the sons of Adam are Qabil and Iqlima, Abel and Labuda, Sith and Azura, Ashut and his sister Ayad and his sister, Balagh and his sister, Athati and his sister Tawbah his women, Darabi and his sister Hadaz and his sister, Yahus and his sister, Sandal and his sister, and Baraq and his sister. The total number of Adam's children is 40.
interesting
Where did you gain such knowledge? What book? I would like to read it to gain insight about Adam. I know that there are many religions that fall under the Abrahamic religious teachings but I do not know their names.
Dang! Very interesting read! I typically dont read any post with any religious based tags.
only that Adam's story is a metaphore, no?
No it's a lesson that women will ruin you they will destroy the things you love most FOOTBALL on sundays
Perhaps, perhaps not entirely, that's what is being explored here.
Great post @gavvet. Thank you for sharing. From this I see that we can increase the size in population but we cannot increase the size of the earth. So the major part of the earth is loaded with population and is life cycled.
Yes, it is great.
My idea that we as living and sentient entities are really just caretakers of our ability to reproduce from nature's point of view is a strange thing to contemplate. For all of our self-importance, "we" are the disposable bits.
Wow, this was truly marvelous to read. Now, in a way I found it slightly difficult to wrap my mind around a lot of this... Perhaps I haven't thought about it this way? Now that I have read your post quite a few times, I understand what you mean. And you have a miraculous brain. That's what I have to say. You have given me something to seriously consider. Thank you very much for this post!
I am fairly new to the Steemit community, but am so enjoying posts such as yours, that truly give the reader something to think about!!!! <3 Upvoted & followed... I can't wait for more of your posts.
Best wishes to you,
Stephanie
It may be harsh or unsettling to hear,and I'm not trying to be uncaring or mean, but that is life. Everything in life has a beginning and an end. It's a circle or a cycle if you will. Can you imagine being exactly where you are now, forever, as in infinity. How would we progress as a society if nothing ever stopped, to allow change, to teach us,or to let us evolve and grow as people? Sometimes it's for the better. We can't force life, we actually make it better.
Really an eye-opener. Thanks for sharing @gavvet FOLLOWED YOU. 😊
I think we learn the most when we are close to death.... But without the limitations of our own existence I do not think we would seek to live life as fully as we do... some more than others of course.
Good effort @gavvet Adam is a prophet created by God lifted from heaven to the world for eating the fruit of the khuldi. Because he ate the fruit that was forbidden by God then Adam was expelled into the world, and his spouse was his wife created by God from Adam's left rib, therefore we men lacked the ribs on the left. from that, respect and keep women. because they are a part of us. For the history of adam more precise and accurate. open al-qur'an let me not misunderstand its history.
natural human on the earth more women than men, according to the biology of marriage of female eggs with male sperm occurs due to improper timing. The age of male sperm cells lasts only 24 hours from the sperm is removed, while female sperm cells last 3x24 hours.
great post. thank you for sharing
@gavvet I am very happy to read your post
this is the basis of human origin
at least I understand about the history of adam
and acknowledge what happened to Adam and Eve at that time.
you are so right @gavvet, I agree with you that death is something that is needed in this life, all reason can think, how the state of the world if ever since adam until now there is no death. but in my opinion the first die in the world is the son of adam, habil, during the dispute with his brother qabil. the natural resources of the earth according to its time, which will eventually be exhausted all, the earth will find its death.
thank you @gavvet.
What if Adam & Eve had not transgressed? They would still be alive today!
The answer is in Holy Quran
https://steemit.com/ikigai/@horus149/ikigai-the-reason-to-get-up-in-the-morning
amazing post...good luck man
Your thoughts are right and your post is great.
But I miss some way the ethical and philosophical aspect.