Excelente análisis, mi estimado @gavvet. Sin embargo, me gustaría plantear algo: @Joeyarnoldvn dice: "Convenido. Antes éramos inmortales." Pero, si eran inmortales y no podían morir... ¿Para que tenían que comer de lo que se producía en el huerto? Si una persona no se alimenta, de hecho, morirá en pocos días. Si la primera pareja en el huerto necesitaba comer, entonces parece que no eran inmortales y ahí cito sus propias palabras cuando dijo "Somos lo que comemos". ¿Será posible que ellos tuvieran un tiempo de vida muy, muy largo? ¿Tal vez unos 1000 años? Y parece que fue necesario que antes que se les terminara su tiempo de vida en esta tierra, fue necesario introducir (a través de ellos) el pecado en el mundo para darle paso a todo el plan que ha estaba preparado desde antes de la fundación del mundo. Algo curioso hallé en las palabras del apóstol Pablo cuando dijo en la carta a los Romanos capítulo 7: 9 "Y yo sin la ley vivía en un tiempo; pero venido el mandamiento, el pecado revivió y yo morí." Parece ser que esa escritura hace referencia a Adán, puesto que Pablo, nunca vivió sin ley. Entonces, el "pecado" con la puesta en marcha de esa ley NO COMERAS revivió dentro de él algo que estaba dormido, creando entonces la potestad de elegir entre ser como dioses o mantenerse unido espiritualmente con su Creador. Mi Upvote para este post.
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Fantastic comment!
@gavvet, estaré muy pendiente para seguir leyendo sus posts y compartir de tan grandioso tema
The first time when I see a comment making over $50 and I don't understand it!
An oops with my trigger finger... but it turns out this comment asks some deep questions.
I'll take an oops lol just JK
Will use google translate on my laptop in few hours man! Wish you a great time... and btw...if universe is infinite...that means there is an infinity of earths. I think this make sense
i am guessing this is a very beautiful illustration or analogy. can someone please translate it? i will realy love to know what @oneray has said and learn from it too. thanks
"Excellent analysis, my dear @gavvet. However, I would like to raise something: @Joeyarnoldvn says: "Agreed. We were immortal." But, if they were immortal and could not die ... Why did they have to eat what was produced in the garden? If a person does not feed, in fact, he will die in a few days. If the first couple in the garden needed to eat, then it seems that they were not immortal and I quote their own words when he said "We are what we eat". Could it be possible for them to had a very, very long lifetime? Maybe 1000 years? And it seems that it was necessary that before their time of life on this earth was ended, it was necessary to introduce (through them) the sin in the world to give way to the whole plan that was prepared before the foundation of the world. Something curious I found in the words of the apostle Paul when he said in the letter to the Romans chapter 7: 9 "And without the law I lived at one time: but the commandment came, and sin revived, and I died." It seems that this writing refers to Adam, since Paul, never lived without law. Then, the "sin" with the implementation of that law "YOU WON'T EAT" revived within him something that was asleep, creating then the power to choose between being as gods or staying spiritually united with his Creator. My Upvote for this post."
I hope this help you, @outhori5ed.
Thanks alot @oneray. I greatly appreciate you interpreting this. The law is what revealed sin and the knowledge of a 'law' is an evidence that your WILL can either keep it or break it. Adam and Eve had their will to whatever choice they wanted.
If the instruction was not given, they wouldn't have broken it. Agreed? Let me briefly show you how the law influence your WILL. Obey the command below.
"Don't think of a red car"
What happened?
Jajaja. It is a very good example. Sorry for my English. I'm from Venezuela. I think that they had one choice, but it was necesary to insert the sin in the world through Adam and Eve. Thanks for your upvote and your comment. I apreciate it a lot.
thank you sir. your comment was really an eyeopener. i am very greatful you shared this
1 Sam 15:22 says "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."
It seems as if OBEDIENCE is what God desires even though the freedom of will is an option. Although there is a sacrifice in being obedient because you essentially sacrifice your free will, it seems that these "catch 22" situations are a test of whether we bow to the Lord's will or whether we exercise free will, but ultimately in the situation of Adam and Eve, they chose free will ultimately resulting in consequences of that choice. Just as in the world, my free will tells me not to pay taxes, but the will of the govt is that I do like an obedient citizen otherwise I will have to deal with the consequence of my disobedience. You would think that free will and the exercise of choice should be rewarded, but I guess that there's some merit to being humble and obedient.
Leyendo este comentario, respecto de la obediencia a Dios y su recompensa, vienen a mi mente las palabras del apóstol Pablo, cuando les decía en su carta a los Romanos: ¿Hay injusticia en Dios respecto a las decisiones que Él toma? ¿Quién puede resistirse a la Voluntad de Dios? Al final, parece que Dios hará como quiere y con quien quiere. Pero... ¿El libre albedrío será real? ¿Tenemos realmente la capacidad de decidir o elegir por nosotros mismos? A Moisés el Gran Yo Soy dijo: "Tendré misericordia de aquel a quien yo tenga misericordia, y tendré compasión de quien yo tenga compasión" Por lo tanto, "no es de quien quiera, ni de quien corre, sino de Dios que da misericordia." ¿Somos realmente quienes tomamos las decisiones o simplemente Dios susurra en nuestro oído para que al final hagamos lo que siempre Él ha querido? Un ejemplo que me hizo pensar acerca de esto fue con Faraón cuando Dios le dijo: "Para este mismo propósito te he levantado, para mostrar mi poder en ti, y para que mi nombre sea declarado por toda la tierra." ¿Y qué podemos decir acerca de Jonás? A la final, tuvo que ir a predicar a Nínive, a pesar que había decidido huir de Tarsis. Cuando veo todos estos ejemplos y medito en ellos, también sale a la luz esa Escritura que me abofetea cuando dice: "Mas tú, oh hombre, ¿quién eres tú para responder contra Dios? ¿Dirá la cosa formada al que la formó: ¿Por qué me has hecho así?" Entonces me digo a mí mismo: ¡Qué profundo es todo esto! Y regreso aquí, para volver a leer el post, que tan amablemente @gavvet puso a disposición de todos nosotros.
The tree of life is the coconut tree and the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the cacao fruit tree. Theobroma Cacao, literally food of the gods.
Jaja. Then Venezuela is the Eden's Garden, because here there are a lot of them. They are ragweeds to the palate.