The Burrito Question

in #religion6 years ago (edited)

"I know that you can do all things and that no plan of yours can be thwarted" Job 4:22

Is this truly the case with an Omnipotent force? Can an Omnipresent, Omnibenevolent, Omniscience and Omnipotent being perform an act that is logically inconsistent within the confines of its own reality? Can this still coincide with traditional notions of God through interpretations of text? I may not have an answer, but I have some very compelling debates on the ability of realizing omnipotent outcomes.

| "The God Question?" - Simpsons |

Simpsons Did It!

Shouldn't surprise me that as always, The Simpsons did it first. But, in a stoned perplexion homer manages to sum up the entirety of the first paradox in a simple question. The answer to which lies in God's ability or inability to logically contradict himself. As Ned coined it, the question is quite the "honey-doodle" of melon scratchers, but I'd like us all to try and take a minute to and try and dissect this question concerning the first attribute of Omnipotence with a rational thought process.

The burrito argument is itself synonymous with a common line of questioning against the defining attributes of God. Other examples of this type of questioning that concern the ability to simultaneously inflict both dualities of an action at once would be could God create a rock so heavy he cannot lift? Or, could God draw a circle with corners? All of these questions are looking for the same underlying answer that lies in duality. Can God create something too heavy but it still be light enough to lift, something too hot but cool enough to touch, or simply something completely round with corners?

But what about a defense for God's omnipotence? I decided to take a look...

Pseudo-Question

"The fallacy of biasing an exchange by asking a question that has an unjustified assumption built right into the question, influencing the answer given to it." [1]

The description of a pseudo-question described in this video is actually quite inaccurate to the way it is defined in a traditional logic and reasoning analysis, which are the studies that coined the term 'pseudo-questions' along with others common argument fallacies such as Ad Hominem, Strawmaning, and Tu Quoque.[2]

What the gentlemen in the video does is the fallacy of Shifting Conclusions.

The problem of being unclear about what you are actually attempting to prove in an argument, or stating your conclusion in slightly different ways, so that arguments supporting one version do not really apply to others. [1]

Two Halfs of One Whole

The question "Can God beat himself in an arm wrestle?" Is unfortunately logically inconsistent in two ways instead of just the single paradoxical fashion of Homer's question. The first logical inconsistency being the same as the burrito question; can God perform an action that is logically inconsistent with the two qualities of an action, but adding a clause of a action that is categorical of Omniprescence instead of Omnipotence. This question essentially asks two questions; Can God Win and Lose (Omnipotence) but also Can God challenge himself, or be in two places at the same time even if these two places are say across a table (Omniprescence).

Our form of the questions asks only the validity of God performing an action that logically inconsistent, the form of the question in the video slides into the realm of the logically inconsistent presence. He says "we treat God as if he were two when he is one", but our questions are concerned about if he can perform two conflicting actions in ONE state. Either question I am posing; "can God perform any consistently illogical action" , OR "can god perform any inconsistently logical action" , would still be appeased with the same answer. The fact that we can use all-encompassing terms such as any or all in these questions indicates there is likely NO biasing fallacy, and therefore it cannot be considered a pseudo-question.

Into The Realms of Other Omnis

If we were to ask the question "Can God win an arm wrestle with himself" with the answer 'Yes' we get that he is Omnipresent (be in both seats across the table) and Omnipotent( is both winning/losing), if we answer "can god make a burrito too hot" we only get Omnipotence (can hold, but not hold).

The truth is, with questions concerning these types of logical paradoxes they bubble down to a question that we can't fundamentally answer: Can God break logical operation. The gentleman in the video attempts to refute the question, but that isn't necessary. As we see with Rene Descartes, he answers this question with the interpretation of Omnipotence in which God can, do the logically impossible. Thomas Aquinas, on the other hand, took a more rational approach to Omnipotence. He believed God could only perform that which was logically possible, unable to defy basic laws such as Mathematics. [3]

What all this means is that this question IS really THE honey-doodle of melon scratchers.

Easy Ned, think of the bible...

Even some of the most recognized Christian Philosophers were unable to come to an agreement on this attribute of God's nature. And I won't sit here and be one of those to claim to know the answer either. But the question is valid, and there is a significance to the answer for everyone whether religious or not.

Whether paradoxically impossible or not, I'm Omni-tired, and will be cutting it here for today! Thank you all for reading, please leave an upvote even if you gave a quick skim. Appreciate all the support!!

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How about this. God exist simply because of the fact that we can think that their is a god. Also we can say that their is not a god. That is why it exist. Not as a person, but as a entity of energy. I always drive up the freeway every few months and i see billboards that say "when you die, you will meet god". Is this true or will be just be in some form of purgatory or like a waiting area until god comes back for it's Chosen people. Don't think i'm crazy just thinking outside the box for a second.

Does that make sense though?

God exist simply because of the fact that we can think that their is a god.

I can think that there is a god, isn't a god, that there is a giant spaghetti monster who created the universe or that all of reality is just a simulation. None of these things are true because they can be imagined.

I understand where you're coming from, but the language is limiting. The traditional concept of God doesn't seem fair to a a true, timeless, entity of energy. Nobody really knows whats true or not though.

I guess you do have a point we can believe that, but a simulations has law and if we are a part of that simulation like you just stated above the things we do are all factors. Like right and wrong, if you do something good in this simulation something good normally comes back to you in a different form. Same thing goes for something bad. You get out of this life what you put in same with steemit, same with anything so if you don't abide by the laws of this simulation you will die. By die, i mean not exist or breathe on this plane any longer. You see it with drug addicts, adulterers, gluttons, you name it. This world was created with great design but also has some questions that we don't have the answers to. God said if you can't understand earthly things you can't understand heavenly things. I'm not saying this is a place filled with white gowns and angelic music, but it gives you a thought on how to look at something such as religion and things of that nature with a broader eye. Their are like 6 hundred and something laws of the land you must follow to get the most out of your life. I would call them the laws of the simulation.

A little hard to follow, but I'll give you that

You get out of this life what you put in same with steemit, same with anything so if you don't abide by the laws of this simulation you die

That is the one truth to me, and even it has some wiggle room. In Life, if you give what you get, you get what you give. It only pays to be selfish for so long, and those who understand that live a much fuller lifestyle.

and that we can agree on. but you must follow the laws of the land which im sure you have broken and i myself have broke. Have tattoos ? you broke a law. Had sex out of wed-lock? you broke a law. So it's just the way you live man, and when you violate too many laws of the land over time you will deteriorate and eventually meet your demise. So follow the laws of the land, NOT MAN-MADE LAWS, BUT THE REAL LAWS ITS ABOUT 650 SOMETHING LAWS YOU MUST ABIDE BY EVEN DOWN TO THE FOOD YOU EAT. IM TELLING YOU I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

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