This is an open ended question and not really directed at anyone per se, but there are some users I see actively selling anything and eveything they earn constantly. It just makes me think.
Now don't get me wrong, I understand some people need whatever they earn here and that's one of hive's strengths in my opinion. I've posted about this before, especially when things like KE were introduced and the discussion surrounded them. I have nothing against people who sell because they need the hive - as long as the reward they're earning are coming from legitimate value generation. I.e. if you're providing value to the hive network (can be objective of course), then fine, sell as much as you can.
But even if you are in need of the rewards, it begs the question how some people may not be thinking long term about it.
Maybe I'm the odd one out who cares too much about growing my stake here?
It's been years now since I've mostly stayed powered up on this account, and hey, for sure that's not been the best way to go about it in terms of tactics for acquiring more hive power. All those little power ups every now and then averaging the price down end up still being quite too high when the token just plummets further and further. But it begs the question even more that "how are you selling at these prices?"
Like, we know hive works, similar to other blockchains, it works. There's never been a halt of the chain, there's never been some weird hacks caused by the security of the blockchain itself, etc. Just because Hive chooses to reward regular users for 65%+ of its inflation compared to miners who have to back it up with hardware they've purchased or electricity they've spent doesn't mean it doesn't work or that it's any less secure than other networks.
The fact you're earning what you sell proves that it works, and you're selling most of your stake for 5 cents per token?
It just boggles me some times.
I'm mostly talking about people who've already been here quite a long time, there's some serious capitulation happening and it's not just from traders on exchanges. I'm seeing some well reputable people sending hive to exchanges on a daily basis.
Why wouldn't you want a secure income of Hive over longer periods of time over risking trading off all your stake and potentially never getting it back?
Like, that's scary to me. I've traded Hive away in the past, I'm not denying that, but every time I've done so my attempts have been to purchase more in the future, but alas that hasn't worked out too great lately - especially when I've had to invest a lot into my own projects here rather than HP itself.
Selling something that's taken me years to obtain with the risk that I can never get back that stake is super scary to me, scarier than holding onto stake and thinking it's going to go to "0".
Is that what some of you think of hive, that it can go to zero? Or are you just tired - which is understandable as well.
Dunno, as curator it some times pains me seeing some people just leave and get rid of all their stake because one of my goals has been to help distribute inflation far and wide so it helps the decentralization of the network.
There are definitely a lot of people who've still held onto their earnings and grown or bought more, which is great to see and aids decentralization of the network, but there are also many who just get rid of it. It's like they don't respect their own time and effort they've put into acquiring it.
Or maybe the issue is that some of us are getting the stake way too easily thus it bears no meaning or worth to us in its current form, so we sell it at any price. I'm sure there's many of you out there as well, and I hate to say it but it is kind of a weakness in proof of brain and the things we've allowed to exist and prosper around here while at the same time demonizing good downvotes which further more encourages the former to keep happening.
Maybe all that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things either.
I don't know, guess after all my recent posts a rant had to be one of them eventually.
It's just sad some times to see some people you thought better off give in and sell their stake to whoever's buying it on exchanges at these evaluations. I'm sure sooner or later more of us will have to give in, maybe it's just the way of the markets and the same is happening everywhere, here we just have usernames available to each transaction so it feels a bit weirder.
Oh well, I'll keep stacking for now while I continue to eat away at my reserves as long as they last me, hopefully the next wave of people I end up curating are more interested in being around and here for the long term rather than seeing most run off like there's a virus on chain trying to eat their stake.
I will never understand people who have a few hundred hive power and are still powering down. is there really a country where you can buy food/ make a difference with a few Hive? if so that is very sad.
As for me? I would love to buy more HP now but other priorities are sucking money away at the moment(I want to buy a new fridge in a few months and then wooden briquettes). But I have been around the chain long enough to have seen 1 Hive at a few dollars so I believe that as long the mess in the world is fixed Hive can rise to those heights again. So there is no way I would sell most of my stake at 5 cents per 1 Hive. Hell I don't think that I would sell at 50 cents either.
If you need the money to support your family I can understand. But I see many people witdrawing with these low prices, which I also think it kind of weird.
And staking your Hive also makes your curation rewards grow.
I've collected over 300 extra Hive with curating already in the past 30 days.
Too few people aim towards earning and withdrawing some rewards from their curation alone and to try and get there rather than doing so with your author or other earnings.
Selling at this very low price is like throwing away ones efforts. It's better to power up or just hold the Hive.
300+ hive from curation alone woahhh....
Daaaang how much HP you got?
51,588 😃
Just keep on stacking 💪
Very nice!
And I am, one nice thing with hive being so low right now is that I'm earning more hive.
Ive never sold any of my Hove stake but have sold from HBD at times. Something that I have noticed is that Hive has steadily declined over the years and I'm now starting to wonder if it will every get back up to even a reasonable price. I have doubts that we will ever see $1 Hive again unfortunately. I am hopeful. Now its so low that there is no point in selling. I'm still having fun and have no intention of selling my stake. I would do it for free if it came to it.
Well, from who I see, there are two types of users on HIVE:
Those who create content and are buying HIVE as a form of future investment.
Those who only create content.
For the first group, they will hardly sell for less than they bought it for.
For the second group, any $0.01 is profit, and in times of difficulty, they sell (sometimes the difficulty is being consumed by fear).
Now, lately I've been reading about users who have been around since 2020 (some even before) and are filled with pride stating that they are never at a loss because they have never bought HIVE. What they have is the result of the rewards of their work and commitment to the network.
If for the first group of users, those who buy HIVE, there is a restraint in not selling for less than they bought it for, for the second group it is not like that. They sell because they are never at a loss.
Added to this factor are two types of users: those who vote blindly without analyzing the KE (Key Efficiency). And there are many, from curation groups to users with responsibilities (many are community moderators). This equation was created precisely to analyze each case, as it's unique. I'm not saying they shouldn't vote for users with high KE, but the reasoning should be understood. However, what we see in most cases is contributions to extractors.
Finally, without being sure of what I'm talking about, especially since my account is about 2 years old and I didn't belong to Steem. But, don't you find Steem's recent growth strange? My question is: isn't HIVE being sold to buy Steem? It's just a question!
I highly doubt that, probably cause of Tron's growth it's doing a bit better lately, who knows. It's all fake anyway.
Although I am not writing much or earning much, but whatever I get, I just goo for the staking. I have a strong belief for the long-term run. Otherwise, being honest, I have food on my table and shelter on my head. So the risk isn't big for me. Plus my amount isn't big, neither I have invested anything here. Other than time of course which itself is the biggest investment, at least for me. At first, I thought of dividing my earning into three proportions: for staking, for HBD saving and for withdrawal. Later on, I just skipped the for withdrawal part and went with other two. After a month or two, I just withdraw my saving of $2 and staked it too. Because, for a small user, 30 Hive is still a big amount. Fun fact, recently I voted a post and saw that my curation was giving 0.010; it further motivated me to stake more.
I just made my friend to join this platform, and advised him to invest, if he wishes to. Because there are tons of ways to earn. Earning while supporting the whole community is a win-win. Isn't this just beautiful? There is a circulation of money. And of course, I am still learning about this platform, so that is all I can think of. For the future, I don't knoe, right now I am just going with the flow. Let's see where it takes me or us.
For other folks, I guess everyone is just scared of the market and everything. Like they have lost the most important element called hope.
Btw, your posts motivate me. Otherwise, nowadays, the sort of content I am reading is full of pessimism.
Peace 🕊
i've converted all my hbd into hive because honestly, it's at 0.06$, does it make sense to wait more? ok it might go at 0.05 or 0.04 but even lower it would be almost death i guess, so why not convert at the lowest possible price?
also why would someone sell at that value, it makes no sense financially, unless you need it for food that is, but honestly it's 0.06! 100 hive are just 6$...
That's currently the average monthly salary in Cuba. It might not be much, but it helps a lot.
I have been here since two years and some months. To be precised, by this June 2026, I will be three years here,
I have never powered down at all.
I rather have been buying and staking up. Recently, I bought some. I see hive as an investment hub, of which after a very long growth could yield much for me.
That's my heart desires, plan and expectations.
How I wish hive will resume it's potentials as quick as possible.
I am more like you, I am trying to stack as much Hive as I can, I have never powered down and don't intend to unless we see crazy Hive prices like $5+
Here is my Hive Power since account inception (it was used only for playing Splinterlands in the first couple years):
P.S. If you want to look up this chart which by default has other things like Hive, HBD, etc. you can do it here by entering an account name:
https://beebalanced.streamlit.app/balance_history_page
thanks for the link, i checked mine out.
Guess I've been through a lot of stuff over the years, with the hardfork and shuffling stake over onto other accounts now and then, etc. It looks like my power ups have been worth it the past few years at least compared to my growth in the past.
Yes pretty good growth:
Dunno why images aren't loading at this point in time.
I don't get it either. I think people are very selfish. There's already a default 50/50 option where you can set aside a portion for investment to support others.
That employee mindset ruins everything. We have an incredible system, but people prefer to take everything for themselves.
I've seen how Hive can change lives, and I want to play a bigger role in that.
Selling at these prices is stupid.
agree 100% that why i am now trying to BUY baby BUY while HIVE is on sale.. and yea, why wud u not want to create an asset and continue to grow it?
just yesterday i was teaching a new hiver to power up at least 10% of the HIVE they get through awards each month, on PUD. if only everyone did at least that..
I don't think powering up rewards would do much, we're at a phase where altcoins are being ignored heavily and institutions and their people focusing and telling others to mainly focus on btc and eth.
They're not going to take the time to learn what makes hive different and worthy of being invested in, aka attention economy, feeless txs, proof of brain rewarding mechanism as well as being community ran and funded through the DHF.
We need something to propel us back into people's attention.
I power up what I can, but after eight years I have started to sell some of my HIVE to do other things. I've never powered down to do it though, it's all stuff that was liquid that I have earned through my posting and curating.
I have bills to pay. Now I do try to power down less than I make in a week so my account's growth is positive, but when my main Hive related earnings is my witness which grants rewards powered up, I do have to power that down to pay for my witness and seed nodes.
Lol.... no virus is trying to eat anyone's stake. I guess some might be too scared after seeing their long-term investment go down the drain, and they are unsure of what step to take, so they give in.... to sell even at a ridiculous price!
Hive is going through it's moments which is not unusual. When we think about the long-term benefits, then we won't easily give in unless there's an emergency ofcos.
btw best case hive hits 1 cent ( even i i lose money with it too) and hyperinflation starts. Chain will die or restructure power and becomes stronger. The incentive model is meh and Hive power is some kind of useless tool. You get in political drama about rewards ( i dont read any content upvote trending without reading one shitpost).
"oh no that comment is stolen content and not worth 1 cent" well, called a meme. Even quotes ( super normal on the internet) get flagged here.
So you stuck your money here for ppl to dump on you. Change and rethink things? No thanks. Price reflects bad management and bad decision making, low price + Ai vibe coding can make it thrive or it dies anyway.
Btw ever wonder why Hive never became a crypto knowledge hotspot? well downvotes my friend. PPl promote a coin, get called shitcoiner or scamer ( even the bigger crypto influencer with millions of followers ) get so bullied off.
I mean maybe i should start a auto downvoter of all new users to make look it obvious how retarded it is. Power up another 400k for cheap and start harrass new users on scale (25k investment to make the chain never scale, i call it retarded design).
Those downvotes can easily be countered.
Feels like you're a bit all over the place as usual about your little memes getting downvoted ages ago.
Sadly you are bad in math. If you can use Free downvotes and you counter them with downvotes that bring in a normal case returns, the attack already works.
And well if my critic is so wrong why users are at all time low? Why so many hive wallets sit on massive stakes of liquid hive ( A lot of OG members)?
You know it as good as me ( even if i write it in a more " over the top" style), with no change it will go to 1 cent or lower and more users will leave.
it's bad at math.
You can counter downvotes and it'll only cost you upvote mana and some curation rewards. We saw this happen with stickupboys doing exactly what you said, downvoting random newcomers. People went and used their stake to counter the downvotes and then some to add some extra rewards to the newcomers.
We know how much attention downvotes drive, especially when they're being used badly, they're an attention honeypot combined with general drama. People wanna see why they were done and who to judge, although most shy away from actually acting on it, it only takes a couple bigger stakeholders to nullify it at a cost of some rewards for them which I'm sure most wouldn't mind.
If everyone started using their free downvotes badly, then yes, it may become an issue and we may need to rethink if 25% is too high and lower it or start reworking how downvotes work exactly as that's also something not fully refined, probably because it's very seldom used maliciously.
Anyway, given how little money is coming into the ecosystem and how much value the DHF is printing daily (~$3k or so - not counting hbdstabilizer), along with other panic and things happening, I wouldn't be surprised if it does go lower, but there's a always a limit to how low it can go considering we're still here and debating things and caring and I'd argue we have one of the biggest active communities out there even at the lowest of the low in terms of price.
but as you can see, we sink together. I powered up my liquid shitcoin too.
I have to give you credit for guessing price would drop to 5 cents way back, i would've never believed it and naturally i invested back way earlier, hope it pays out for you and that you do some good with the HP during your stay.
i remember bernysanders did bully of so many people with his attacks. And DAO is not so bad, if more users use and hold hive, it becomes more valueable too. And to memes, well imagine some retard post 20 memes a day, share those 20 memes with all his friends, this is what social media should be ( and fuck rewards, like you said Reward pool abuse was always retarded, if there could be long term damage from it, rewards to high onchain).
Instead of rules ( nobody reads TOS of any website), build a system where users cant do damage whatever they do. Thats how they have fun in a longrun.
Well you and I talking. Sometimes we agree or not. I think hive is a better currency than most other altcoins ( with adjustments). Hive itself has the potential of 1M active users if they all have fun here. Thats the keyworkd Fun + Finance.
You cant tell someone "your content is worthless" if it has human interaction, the same for political downvoting or opinion wars. Youtube and friends had a reason to remove it.
And is also a theory " you can be punished" change behavior.
We've seen what having no rules does (bid bot era, blurt, steem) and even on hive downvotes are quite stigmitized to the point where if you even dare use it you're instantly painted as a bad person/stakeholder wanting hive to die or to chase away poor innocent users even though they're literally farming rewards.
With the rise of AI this would just become an even bigger vector. Imagine if curation actually existed on Steem they'd start upvoting 90% bot AI accounts pretending to be people and 90% of the inflation would go towards 2-3 people. (I know it's a bad example because there is no curation there, it's just vote selling through delegations all the way), but that's something that would happen on hive and does to some degree. There's many projects already allowing and profiting off of vote selling through delegations, look at @eds-voter and some others that were popping off before I put a halt into it through downvoting @freecompliments who was going rampant on buying votes to his daily shitposts close to no one consumed while he just spammed tipbot comments all day.
We need some rules.
Memes can and should be posted all day long if you want, but you can't expect to create a farm out of it, same goes for posts but it's easier to judge and point at things that don't take that long and/or are possibly copied from the internet. If you wanna just have fun with it then stop caring about the rewards, create some pob shitcoins with your friends if you wanna go crazy on farming etc, leave hive out of it.
At some point, I too will have to part ways with my Hive and HP, not to abandon the chain, but to upgrade my PC so I can continue playing and writing on Hive. I'll be here for a long time because I'm confident Hive will rise again. Hive is my home; it's part of my life.
Easy in easy out for some yes. Selling at these prices is ridiculous. I’m here forever.
Over the course of history, people have done all sorts of things for money out of desperation. Sure, some of the sellers simply don't believe in Hive but I suspect quite a few are just out of options right now.
Its simple, its the long-term vs short-term mindset, some people see Hive as income, others see it as an investment, and that difference changes everything. Me i see it as both if im being honest. I see it also as both short and long term.
No use selling it at these prices.
But feeling a bit stupid myself also, should have sold a bunch years ago.
I did cash out from 5k to 2,400 because I had to sell all my crypto as well as my car and every possession I could miss, but selling more seems pointless now. In 2018 I explained that it would be smart to invest equal amounts of labor and capital in the blogchain.
Its all about trust i guess, people hold when they believe in the future, and sell when they’re unsure ,even if the fundamentals are strong.
Hahaha
The last line made me laugh 😂
All very true sadly. I for one am still stacking and making the most of the price! 😁 It should work out in the long run.
This price is too low for a sale. Some do not know that the more HP that you have the more strength you acquire. I powered down mine because I am facing some financial challenges. However, I will bounce back and buy back at this good price in few days.
I have a HP goal so I continue staking HIVE 😉
Looks like you're more interested in hbd to me. :P
I keep it around 1K.
Hive power has 1 problem imo since is fucked to have. you curate and get 0 HBD but if price goes down HBD becomes more Hive.
so you payout Hive short contracts to ppl for free. From math is retarded. But yeah i did power up my liquid hive now too since is worthless anyway.
HBD design is retarded and makes having hive retarded since RC are pretty useless. You dont need millions and if you use millions ( in case of SPL) ppl complain of spam.
Hive power is only retarded to have because there are no smart contracts or any financial dapps to trade or abitrage that value RC = fair market price of assets.
just my 2 cents to this.
The problem is that when prices fall, they fall everywhere, but I think there's a valid point: many people live paycheck to paycheck.
That said, I believe that during bear markets, you should increase your Hive Power the most, so you can benefit from better times.
Do you know how to withdraw Hive from Binance? 😬
I don't know if the question is directed at me. But...
Yes, I know.
No. It wasn't addressed to you. You can delete the screenshot.
ye apparently you should put your private keys in the memo
jk