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RE: The following bot owners support promoting scammy trash on Steemit.

in #steem6 years ago

I'd say let them promote their crap and deal with the downvotes. Once they're not making a profit on their posts, they'll stop buying upvotes.

Or is that just wishful thinking? Will they just be replaced by new people buying upvotes?

Also, what is bad content, everybody has different ideas about what bad content really is. You dislike Jerry Banfield, but someone else might like his content. Is it up to bot owners to decide what good and bad content is? (aside from really obvious spam etc. )

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Sure, maybe some likes the content: He may vote!
But if the majority of votes are simply fake it is nothing else but paid advertisement and I deal with the idea developing a steemit-adblocker to get rid of that BS

Once their reputation score exceeds yours, your downvote can't even touch them. And when you can buy automatic votes and therefore reputation, you can outstrip honest creative users really fast.

Once they're not making a profit on their posts, they'll stop buying upvotes.

This seems unlikely to happen without intervention, so I think that's what @berniesanders and others are trying to do.

Once their reputation score exceeds yours, your downvote can't even touch them.

This is true. BIG PROBLEM. Scammers gain rep every day and honest folks lose the power to stop it.

We need to make a case for the witnesses / devs to buff downvotes so this is no longer a thing. There were reasons they made the system asymmetrical but think we have reached a point where it needs to be evaluated in light of present abuses.

I'm new to this whole thing but have been thinking a lot about the flag issue. Shouldn't all flags have equal weight, or at least a basic minimum? If three people at 30 Rep flag a 78 Rep, shouldn't that be (-30-30-30=-90) instead of SUM(30<78,30<78,30<78)=NOTHING?

The weight of your flag is only based on your sp.... Nothing to do with rep at all

That's incorrect.
You may not be able to change their rep but you can still effect the revenue regardless

Huh, I thought rep determined the weight of your vote as much as SP. What's rep for, then?

Rep is mostly just an anti-spam sanity check for steemit.com. it makes it easy for the community to mute really spammy accounts.

And rep does affect rep, but in an exponential way that makes it basically impossible for a low-rep account to change the rep of a high-rep account.

Gotcha, thanks. So if I'm understanding this right, I can flag posts that I believe are just abusing bots to siphon big payouts off the system, and my 23 SP might reduce the payout a smidge. If a lot of people band together, we might even reduce the payout a lot. But if it is a high-rep account, that person could basically destroy my rep if they so chose and I couldn't do a thing, right?
What determines reputation score, anyway?

Yeah, that's about right. Flagging is unfortunately quite political.

I haven't worked out the exact formula for reputation, but it's essentially your account's reputation-weighted all-time cumulative author rewards. Every time you get an upvote, your rep goes up a tiny bit, and the amount it goes up is bigger if the voter has large rep and/or large SP. Same goes for downvotes.