I joined steem in July after reading the article on theguardian.com, and I have never bothered to do a presentation post, which was the trend at the time. Maybe I should have, because people still don't seem to understand the kind of person I am.
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Thank you for posting this article. I think it is a microcosm of the challenges Steemit faces at the moment; namely it is easy to identify the issues (basic UI, uneven distribution, undesired behaviours), however not so easy to come up with viable solutions that everyone will agree with (ban accounts/ freeze coins?).
Steemit is now at a stage where pretty much every move can be praised and criticised in equal measure. Even universally acclaimed changes will be met by jeers from some, that they are 'too little and/ or too late' etc.
I take your point about the beta symbol, however Steemit is still in it's early days. Signs are the site will get better. I compare it to similar blockchain project that spend years in proof-of-concept phase. I dread to think of the challenges they will face once they actually release a product that has a modicum of adoption (like Steem/ Steemit has). It will also be interesting to compare the speed at which they are able to address their issues. There is nothing really to compare Steemit/ Steemit Inc to at the moment so its difficult to judge how well its doing (given its relatively limited size and resources).
I do hope you choose to stick around. Steemwhales.com illustrates you have much to contribute to this platform. But will understand if you choose to go for the reasons you've stated.
We are in the "wild west" of blogging/ content reward technology. Steemit reminds me of that kid with prodigious raw talent. The young teenage Lionel Messi of social media platforms. Yet to be cultivated into a top footballer. It might not make it. People will give up on it. But with patience and the right guidance and investment it stands one hell of a chance of making huge inroads in this space.
Thanks for taking the time to express everything here. You might enjoy a discourse on downvoting I had with @generalspecific here: https://steemit.com/steemitabuse/@generalspecific/a-recourse-for-preventing-the-abuse-of-flagging-downvotes
These two don't jive with the rest of what you're saying. Not many would be comfortable with this kind of centralized, potentially abusable control.
Mostly disagree, but upvoted for visibility. Different POV adds a value.
Me too. I like bots, and I think down-voting/flagging is mostly harmful to the platform, even when it may be deserved by the individual.
I am grateful for the steemwhales service, though, and I can definitely understand being unhappy about losing credit for the French language translations that were ported to Golos.
I have mixed feelings about games like steemsports. They're useful and valuable, but doing them through social media is a kludge. Hopefully , in the long term, someone will create a real steem prediction market so they can find a better home.
Same here
We are very grateful to everyone who contributed help with the internationalization of the steemit.com interface. We should have a CONTRIBUTORS file that repo that gives credit where it's due.
FWIW, promoted posts burns the money used to promote the post, de-inflating the currency and providing the promotion fee to everyone.
Great post - I mostly disagree with it, none more so than the idea that there is better content on fakebook, and using reddit to avoid bullshit is hillarious :) But a lot of interesting ideas here.
Two changes I'd like to see on Steemit are the removal of all flagging, and a separate tab for resteeming so I could use it to bookmark posts I like. I know those things are unlikely to happen so my workaround is to never flag or resteem.
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@sift666/is-steemit-the-future-of-the-internet-or-just-the-new-facebook
This is nothing against you, your contributions to the community, or your potential to add value - but personally, I am happy that the upcoming hardfork will give you the opportunity to get out.
There are for sure lots of issues that need to be worked out, but they are solvable problems.
I think there are plenty of people in the community that can see the potential through the issues, and will work on bringing the project to it's fruition.
But here's the real question: will you continue to run steemwhales? I use that site every single day.
That's an awesome news. Steemwahles.com is one of the most useful tool out there. I was one of the guy who send it to a whale to have it upvoted. I didn't read your post yet but I will.
@biophil what are you doing there on steemwahles.com? Just kidding. I'm doing the same as you in regard to curation only thing is I'm trying to close in on you. :P
That's awesome. Thank you for that. It's an amazing tool that I use every day as well.
Hi,
Any chance for GolosWhales to be there ?
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I am a power user of SteemWhales.com and I was wondering for a few months why the guy behind it is so quiet. I thought you were involved full time in other Steem related projects, because it is clear you understand both the game mechanics and the technical side very well.
The tone of the article surprised me a bit. I won't comment on the proposals, because half of the are common sense and the rest of them are debatable. I don't want to debate them in this comment, maybe I'll write another one, on a specific proposal.
But the tone is a bit out of sync. I saw this tone hundreds of times, in my community projects.
And with that I think it's time to reveal that I'm on the Internet since 1999 (before Google, if you can imagine that) and I built several successful communities, on various niches, from the ground up to the likes of tens of thousands of users. At the moment of selling, one of them had more than 100k active users, on the automotive niche. I learned a lot from those processes.
The tone in your post seems to come from a person who is at least confused about how a community grows and works. Because this has little to do with technology. Or, to put it in perspective, technology is just the context in which the community can play the game. It does influence it a bit, but the fundamental value doesn't come from it. I know communities which are thriving for hundreds of years, since technology wasn't around (I'm talking about guilds or even religious communities - you may disagree with their values and principles, but they are communities which are working for hundreds of years).
Combining this fact with my own experience, I can safely state that a successful community comes from a sense of contribution and shared values, regardless of the problems. If a significant majority of the people are on this side - and by this side I mean real contribution, like you did with SteemWhales.com - eventually the community will succeed. If the significant majority of the people are whining or pointing fingers, the spiraling down is just a mater of weeks / months.
That's why the tone seemed surprising. You did great. Correction: you are still doing great. What you create has real value, it's a great tool. Keep working at it - whatever "it" you may choose to contribute now - because that's the path.
As hard as it may be, try to stop judging "the leaders" (quotes are intentional, because they're not really leaders, just context creators, fully aware of the fact that without people using it, even a genius platform is completely useless). You don't know their line of reasoning. It's true that their actions may feel out of sync with your expectations or with "how you see it right", but that's normal.
The value of Steemit comes from people interacting and contributing. And, form my experience, as flawed as it is (many of the problem you pointed are true, as I already said) Steemit is the only worthwhile blockchain-based, rewards-powered social platform that already exists.
It's far more easy to improve on something that is already existing.
Upvoted to try to counter the unnecessary flag.
Interesting about the copyright ....... that makes no sense to me...
I disagree with the solutions you propose but I apologise for the silly comment I made before. I was actually looking for the guy who made steemwhales to ask you something, but when I saw how inactive you had been and that negative comment I jumped to a completely radical conclusion. My imagination runs wild sometimes lol.
As I recently reached the "top 1%" as a dolphin I was going to ask you if you could provide us with more of those pie graphs as suddenly the top 1% of shareholders is not as interesting to me as the top 0.1% or 0.01%. But I understand that you feel let down by the platform and developers so I don't expect you to be interested in doing them...
Sorry to read about your experience here. I think it is important to see where people are unhappy with the platform, since the developers have recently been hearing most from the people who are having a more positive experience, which could be self deluding.
Downvoted to be cooperative.
(Also due to author's stated intent to dump all rewards as soon as possible)
Aw, come on @bacchist - you can remove the flag. We should all be allowed to voice an opinion without worrying about being blasted for it...(even if he asked for it). And yeah, it sucks that he intends to dump his rewards - but he's certainly not the first nor the last, I'm sure. He earned it - he can do what he wants. Just putting that out there.
He literally did ask for it!
Yeah, I know! And I've said, "Kill me now" a hundred times to my kids but I'm kinda glad they didn't, you know? LOL
LOL. I have missed your comments on my blog posts the last few days, that is for sure!
I aim to please ;)
While I don't agree with your assessment, I'm sorry to see you go :(
I use steemwhales all the time, and I still have a little giggle at "hymen danger" every time I see your name :P
Will you be leaving steemwhales up?(answered yes elsewhere nvm)You lost me at the thing about copyright. The names, not the code, unless i misread the licence when I built a witness some months ago.
Also, the distribution pattern, most users did not put in any money. How is this unfair? I am sitting on about 100x growth in my share as part of my reward for writing, starting from i think it was $3. 200x if my bonus for going to Steemfest is counted.
There is definetely some distribution issue. It is unfair because as the price of steem increases new users will have to pay a higher price to get the same influence as early adopters. Late adopters will clearly be at a disadvantage.
Even if steem was perfectly evenly distributed today, the problem would still be there because as time goes by and price increase the power will concentrate within a few hands ( the early adopters). There are 2 problems with this, the first is that all users won't be able to start on a level playing field . The second problem is that as the user base grow and power concentrate there will be less and less eye balls to curate content. If you want everyone on the platform to get some visibility by influential curators you need a lot of them. Even bots would be overwelmed, they would not be able to keep up with the amount of content coming in.
Curation guilds could somehow solve these issue but the problem with these guilds is that they don't encourage people to want to buy steem power and gain influence in the system.
It really is not an easy problem to fix but that's where the brain power of the developers should focus, these are issues that will come in the road ahead.
I wrote a post about this recently https://steemit.com/steemit-ideas/@snowflake/what-if-i-told-you-i-ve-uncovered-a-top-secret-community-this-community-is-so-secretive-that-if-you-want-to-work-your-way-up-its
Why should those who join in afterwards get as much reward as early adopters? We are beta testers in here. We are risking a lot of our time and some quite a bit of money and we do and have helped refine the system , it could come to nothing.
This is not a "basic income" project. it is business. Crypto people are inspired by mises not marx. To be exact, steem is in fact a framework for ad hoc enterprise integration and communication. an attractor, infrastructure kickstart. an experiment with unconventional smart contracts that model corporate democracy. A censorship resistant journalism platform...
not (just) redistribution. new steem gets distributed quite fairly when you look at it. very fairly compared to fiat or even bitcoin. we even influence development, as well as get paid.
Not as much reward, as much chance to work their way up to the top.
well I came in 7/20 and I made it to the top.. everybody can make it..
Everybody can? That's just silly. Hardly anyone can make it to the top. That's what makes it the top.
Steem is like a game, where you need power to gain influence. This is the thing that will attract people to steemit. Imagine you play wow and all the early users have much better life power, wow gold and weapons when they start than you did and its going to be much harder for you to get to where they are. Do you think people would play that game? the vast majority won't bother with a game that discriminate them.
You managed to make it to the top through posting, I was refering to people making to the top by actually buying steem power. It's funny how people who don't invest real money but invest their time seems to think the money is raining from the sky :) My point is you need people buying steem power to sustain the platform and this ain't going to happen if users don't start on a level playing field.
I'm not a crypto person, but I wanted to take the opportunity to praise Marx and hate on Mises.
Lol, a truly free market would hinge on my moral standard to repay you for the things you give me, if you force me pay up front, I am not free as you have not freely given me what I asked for, but demanded tribute from me just to get the goods.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism
I can't remember whose post I put it on, but I actually had the idea of resetting everyone's score to zero after 24 hours. Earnings could be accumulated through posts, comments and upvotes every day. Active users and participants being rewarded based on "esteem" levels. It gives everyone an even playing field and their potential earnings would coincide with their efforts.
Interesting. I keep my mouth shut on all this stuff, because as you know in my chats w you or comments, I am newer to a lot of this and know my place. I am still learning my way in crypto and this is not just a blogging/social network, it combines so many factors.
Why do you want steemit to allow their code to be forked without approval?
The licence is a protection for everyone who invested in steem.
Steem is far from perfect. As you mentionned there is some distribution issues, I wrote a lenghty post about this here https://steemit.com/steemit-ideas/@snowflake/what-if-i-told-you-i-ve-uncovered-a-top-secret-community-this-community-is-so-secretive-that-if-you-want-to-work-your-way-up-its
If someone can fork steem and solve these issues, then the fork will stand a very high chance of being more succesfull than steem and everyone's investment will become worthless.
I was really surprised by the move made by the founders to support golos and allow them to fork, if you want to shake investors's confidence there is no better way to do it than that. And merely for a language barrier issue, that's the part that got me concerned.
It will never happen, because somebody could just clone it and create a version of steem with no ninja mine.
There is some truth in what you say. The way I see it though is that steem is a unique community project and the fact that it is licensed protected means all the brain power from devs all over the world will come to steemit, this to me is powerful. The fact that everyone contribute for the betterment of the same platform. Imagine what bitcoin would be if all the altcoins devs were contributing to bitcoin only..
I have often expressed my disagreement with building hundreds of different app based on the steem blockchain for the same reasons I've just mentionned. If all these people would work on the same project that project would have higher chances of making it big than all the other 100 combined. This is why I was really excited by the busy announcement, because they are going to allow these apps to be integrated within the same site, this is huge for both busy and the apps developers. When people work isolated in their corner their lower their chances of being successfull, why do you think companies create partnership with each other ? This is particularly true for social media sites which are very difficult to bootstrap into mainstream nowadays.
Yes sybil attacks are a real problem. The day we find a way to solve proof of unique individual we are going to solve many many issue, not just in steem. The problems of power concentration/distribution could be solve though, maybe by using outside parameters that are not in the blockchain, such as reputation, points, etc..in order to create a voting power score that isn't just based on how much money you have.
I should read all that properly sometime. I never have bothered to but what i read distinctly said the tokens names were ... trademarked? I figured the code was under some standard open source licence.
Why would someone expect to get something out without putting something in? Have you considerered what is the profit and loss ledger for them after 90% drop in steem value? Have you watched the estimated account value? Mine has been stuck at 350 or so since late september, despite some 200 of liquid payouts during that time.
If you think you are being ripped off stop selling your time to it...
It's all a big experiment as far as I'm concerned. If it works out then it has massive potential, but they have to be open and fair about how it's working. I'm having fun here making new friends.
I have to say I love the Steemwhales site to see how I'm doing.
Thank you for the detailed post, and you are right about the marketing aspect. There is allot of opportunity to fully fund this place, and to expand the Steemit Inc team.
While I have a somewhat more optimistic view about Steemit than you do, your comments about flagging posts resonated with me. When I was brand new and just did my introduction post, I flagged someone who was obviously plagiarizing and being quite disruptive in general. I immediately got "revenge flagged", and while it didn't hurt me as I had higher reputation, it galls me to this day to see that big fat flag on my very first blog post and the payouts from votes I made on other people's comments were negated as I even got "comment chased". Due to that uncomfortable experience, I have refrained from ever flagging anyone else.
Regarding the upcoming economic changes, I think it will be good in the long run. Yes, it will be possible for The Powers That Be to dump more Steem even faster. Yes, that could crash the price even more. But hey, the sooner this whole process of cashing out and redistributing Steem to the small players who will gobble it up is complete, the better. I don't mind having that process accelerated. When the dust settles, I hope there will be a new and sizable emergent dolphin class, and that will be very healthy for the ecosystem.
Thank you for your contributions with steemwhales. I definitely agree with you on some of your points.
It's easy for peoples voice to get lost in the steemit world, especially those who aren't necessarily great at advertising them self (like myself). I think I have the shittiest introduction post out of all the people here. I love steemit because it is what introduced me too the crypto world. Just now learning to trade. Before then I was only in the torrenting world.
It's too bad to see users like you go because of your voice not being heard. Not really sure what I could do to help but if there is anything let me know on steemit chat. Best of wishes to you in all your future endeavors!
I am newer to crypto and so don't understand it all but trying to learn. So for someone like me, your comments in part are designed for newer users and your ideas advocate for people like me, to some extent, so thank you for that.
Writing something like this, cannot always likely be easy to do, knowing you are going to face criticisms, but I guess that is partly why the blockchain exists, so we don't up being censored like everywhere else on Big Data, like the evil PRISM related companies, like Fascistbook, the googles and YT, and the like.
I found this a a good read, very honest, even if many will not appreciate it all.
Interesting. I keep my mouth shut on all this stuff, because as many know in my chats online or comments, I am newer to a lot of this and know my place. I am still learning my way in crypto and this is not just a blogging/social network, it combines so many factors.
So I wanted to say thanks for being open about your feelings, which obviously you are pretty well versed in this space, and thanks for Steemwhales.com -- as a person learning my way, I use this tool every day, and I have shared it with others to learn, many posts and many many times here and so thanks for that also.
I hope Steem finds a way to fix some issues, that are clearly here and that you are encouraged. I personally can appreciate what a #CryptoElder like you brings to the table and we are likely better off as a community listening to people like you.
Have a good day! And again, TY for everything you have tried to do, or done. I know it must be frustrating for you.
I was about to argue with you re the "unfair" aspect of your argument, but this
made me laugh and give it a little more credence
any reason for the flag on this comment?
@heimindanger
I disagree with this -
https://steemit.com/game/@pickoum/jeud-echec-decouvrir-le-jeu-comment-jouer-regles-de-base
it was you who downvoted pickoum first not the other way around.
I checked your profile out cause I sent you a reply and found this.
We are encouraging more users to write here but with the flagging obviously pickoum hasn't blogged again and writing him here would ruin his profile - In my opinion it is not fair. To prove that pickoum didn't even downvote this post - nor his friends did. The others helped pickoum because you downvoted without asking him to fix his mistakes. I suggest we give others a chance to do that instead of flagging. This way we can thrive here in Steemit. If we don't give others a chance we will be getting rid of each other. I do hope you reconsider. No one is your enemy here @heimindanger so please give everyone a chance first.
I'm sorry you lost me on this one.
I do not agree with flagging - It makes enemies and it discourages authors specially new ones.
I understand that you are upset with what happened last time and I also understand you needed to flag whichever you do not agree with.
I do hope we all avoid flagging each other because - we could also please just use asking a question - or pointing out someone's shortcomings instead of writing against each other.
@heimindanger thank you for calling me carebear its a compliment at least now you replied :)
I read why you flagged him and I also wrote it on my reply on that article didn't I
but like I said let's give people a chance first even whales do that
what's shit for us maybe helpful for beginners
You must be an expert in chess
I am a newbie on that game
and you are right I don't read French but my husband does
and he translated for me
so does google translate
I did read your post and like what I wrote you before which maybe didn't reach you - I respect the rest of your opinion and every right you have like we all do so I also want to point it out again, it's a plea - a request not a threat or a demand to not flag and pick on people.
As for now - let's give this rest and hopefully put it aside
I did not write here to attack you, like I said I checked you out cause I havent had the time to a few days ago and this is what i found. The rest of your article makes points but what saddened me is you said that pickoum and his friends would be downvoting you for the rest of their lives which they didn't even do in this post.
We all have our opinions and if we all insist we are all right on something - we will all end up having misunderstandings.
EDIT : I do not encourage downvoting because it causes a ripple effect - others just use it for revenge
there's already so much hate in this world - let's at least not bring it here in Steemit.
maybe I should change my name to @carebear :D
Are you a member of the french-trail tag curators? Cause there is such a thing here already - the french-trail and pickoum's article that you flagged was featured there and every trail food-trail, gardening-trail etc etc have their criteria for choosing which to feature. From how I understood that post you flagged - it was not complete and it was just some sort of introduction. Having posts in French would invite more French users in Steemit but if we just downvote for being misspelled or grammatically wrong - there are so many post that are grammatically wrong in English and we don't flag them either so please don't just flag French posts. You may write what ever you do not agree but please don't flag the posts. Thank you.
If we could have a writing conversation like this in peace - though we don't agree with each other 100% - it is also possible for everyone. I do hope you please reconsider :)
btw if it would help you understand that I just am not in favor of downvoting, I do not know pickoum - the only time i took notice of him was when he joined the challenge i am hosting - cause he won there I must have been on his other articles but I don't remember anymore - and somehow maybe had you not downvote his post I won't get lost here, too. Peace man!
Would you consider adding 0.1 and 0.01% to the pie chart on your site? I think it would be justified to include @steemit as well.
I think your criticism is quite valid and your suggestions for improvement are solid.
After all, all conscious human behavior is egoistical. So point #1 makes no sense. That's the opposite of decentralized. That's youtube. The system banning users would need to be like an etherum smart contract.
LOL <3
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