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RE: Playing Devil's Advocate: Why Steem HF23 is NOT THEFT!

in #steem5 years ago

Is not only a fork with a new distribution is also a new coin with different value, STEEM keeps having the same coin and value before and after the fork. That can be easily argumented. Are different cases, is good to be critical to see the weak points of the argumentation of Apshamilton if they were, but in this particular issue I see a lot of differences. Imo of course.

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I think we can agree that the people who moved to Hive already got way way more value out of Steem than they were ever expecting. This is because the current Steem community is buying those bags and trying to keep the project afloat.

I've personally received thousands of dollars from my powerdowns ($500 a week for 9 weeks). This is vastly more than I ever expected.

Most of the stake that was funneled to @community321 was a danger to the Steem network, just like the stake Hive forked out was a danger to their network. We are trying to have our cake and eat it too. Let me tell you, this cake is delicious. Yum Yum.

Yeah agree with you completely and JS made us a favour by keeping the price quite high for the shitshow STEEM has been lately. I managed to increase substantially my account while making some invests in Exode and Splinterlands. Very happy with it.

Also this blockchain is starting to look as a real community, the example of the white knight and the work ApsHamilton has done proves that we can do very well in this new path.

Interesting times.

You also need to reevaluate your argument.

Is not only a fork with a new distribution is also a new coin with different value...

So you are making the argument that it would be totally unfair to transfer the value of a coin to a new distribution and leave the old fork high and dry... you mean exactly what Hive did? You see? We can't get around the obvious mirror image of the situation.

We took all the real value away from Steem and dumped it into Hive and stole that value away from the stake attacking us. They do the same thing and it's theft. Double standard.

The only real reason we can make these justifications is that they are the aggressors and they started this whole sequence of events. If you ask me, this is a pretty weak foundation to stand on. Much weaker than we, as a whole, believe it to be.

We took all the real value away from Steem and dumped it into Hive and stole that value away from the stake attacking us. They do the same thing and it's theft. Double standard.

😄 Nice argumentation but the real value of the coin wasn't only the economic value of it, (the price and volume) but the community that backed that value, the people who spent their money (with other crypto and FIAT) and time to build their stakes, and you can't say that HIVE thieved people, that isn't reasonable anywhere (not in a court nor in a blockchain) they choosed to be here.

You can say that this is a weak argument because we dumped the coin that still had support from many people (who also built their stake) that stayed in STEEM but this only happened because the support of the mayority of STEEM users that are now HIVE users, the experiment could have failed and therefore the value of STEEM will remain.

And also you can't say that we stole to JS a money that he hadn't before. This is not the case of the witnesses sadly.