Hive launched Friday via a hard fork off the Steem blockchain. Steemit has since retracted the majority of its community support delegations and many dapps and projects have migrated to and voice support for Hive. Can Steem survive this?
In this, we will cover the Hive launch, the Hive airdrop, Dapps that have moved to Hive, Steemit’s censorship, Steemit’s delegation removal, and the future of the two chains. Let’s dive in.
I was made aware that I was excluded from the airdrop for Hive recently. I went and checked and yes, I was in-fact excluded. I contacted the devs on Hive in their telegram and they’ve since delegated me more Hive power than I had originally in Steem power while they go through appeals and fix the mistakenly withheld airdrops including mine which will be done in the second stage of the airdrop where they go through appeals. I will update you on my Hive airdrop as I get more information and while I’m not super happy about this, I’m sure they will get me my airdrop as promised.
This is a list of the accounts excluded from the airdrop of which I was included - https://steemit.com/hive-101145/@kopasi/this-is-called-the-hive-airdrop-exclusion-list-hive
Many creators have been censored on Steemit which isn’t Steem, but because Justin Sun and Tron have control over what appears there, they have been removing posts related to Hive saying it “violates their terms” saying that no platform would allow the promotion of other platforms on it. That’s completely false. Facebook did this for a time regarding Minds.com but have since recanted. Ironically, that means that Steemit is more aggressive at censoring competition than Facebook. Many creators have voiced this on other platforms to let people know as even posts pointing this out were censored on Steemit too.
Two announcements from Steemit regarding this change: https://steemit.com/tron/@steemitblog/an-open-letter-to-the-community-hf22-5 & https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/we-are-making-good-progress
I’m sure if anyone from that bunch catches wind of this, it too will be censored from Steem. Luckily, as I mentioned above, Steemit is not Steem and many other people can still see and interact with the censored content outside of Steemit. You may also notice that a lot of the account that voice support was created very recently aside from a few witnesses. Some notable dapps that have committed to staying are DTube, SteemHunt, Drugwars, Fundition, Oracle-D, Steempress, and a few others.
I have a lot of respect for the DTube and Fundition team as I have a relationship with them, but for all these projects that are groveling to Justin and pledging their support just to get a delegation back feels like they’ve given up on their community and only care about appealing to Justin’s ego in order to get their power back.
Steemit has also been having a lot of issues regarding availability. Currently, I get internal server error while trying to access it and cannot do anything there. Though, it’s been on and off randomly.
Projects that lost delegation from Steemit:
The witness Ausbitbank did an overview of the many community-serving projects and dapps to show you how much Steem power they lost which was all consolidated into Justin Sun’s account. You can find that here: https://steempeak.com/steem/@ausbitbank/misterdelegation-just-moved-sp-from-abuse-fighters-to-abusers
Some notable dapps that lost delegation:
DTube – My favorite dapp for sharing video to Steem and the DTC blockchain. They went from 2 million down to 200k delegated. This is huge because DTube is one of the most followed accounts and biggest supporter of video content creators.
Oracle-D – 2 million down to 50k delegated.
SteemHunt – 1 million down to 300k delegated.
Fundition – 1 million to 100 SP – They basically destroyed this project which is about crowdfunding and charity donations which is pretty despicable.
Esteem – 500k down to 20k delegated. A major platform for mobile users using Steem. Given Partiko moved to Hive, Steem now has no supported mobile dapp.
Busy – 500k down to 100 delegated. They sucked out their funds and Busy moved to Hive.
Some key projects that were focused on spam and helping deal with abuse that lost delegation were:
Spaminator – 2.7 million down to 100 delegated. A great initiative for combating spam now inactive allowing spam to run rampant on Steem.
Steemcleaners – 1.5 million down to 100 delegated. Another great initiative for dealing with abuse, flag reports, false flagging, plagiarism, and more.
They essentially took away all the delegations from a bunch of platforms and any platforms that were drained to 0 essentially migrated to Hive and those who were left with some stayed.
There are more in the original link which you can review, but I wanted to cover some of the big projects here to make sure people know what’s going on. The Steem business alliance was created this year in January made and recently posted an open letter to Justin here https://steemit.com/delegations/@steemba/open-letter-from-dapps-to-justinsuntron. This includes the signatures of key people from DTube, SteemHunt, Oracle-D, Fundition, and Drugwars. They also wrote 3Speak, but I’m not sure if they have the authority to claim this given TheyCallMeDan from 3Speak is the owner and has full support for Hive.
Notable changes and important projects that have migrated to Hive:
The SteemFeed-JS software for witnesses now has Hive support for witnesses who want to switch over - https://busy.org/@someguy123/steemfeed-js-v3-1-0-released-easier-to-use-and-now-hive-compatible.
Steemcleaners has dedicated its activities to Hive under the project name of HiveWatchers. You can see one of their recent reports here for Hive here: https://busy.org/@steemcleaners/hivewatchers-report-for-10-march
Steemauto has set up Hive Vote to do the same thing. You can schedule posts, build a fanbase, follow a curation trail, and even automate claiming your payouts. - https://steemit.com/steemauto/@steemauto/steemauto-back-online
Dapps that have migrated:
Steem.craft – A Minecraft game integration that works with Hive - https://www.battlegames.io/hive/@immanuel94/steem-craft-is-moving-to-hive
Partiko – Migrating to Hive, but no announcement yet. - https://partiko.app
Busy – Another interface to access Steem that has migrated - https://busy.org/
Peakd – A Steemit alternative platform that has moved to Hive - https://peakd.com/hive-163399/@peakd/peakd-live
Splinterlands & Steemmonsters – These are cards games that utilize Steem currently but will be offering full support for Hive as well - https://steemkr.com/splinterlands/@splinterlands/splinterlands-plans-for-the-upcoming-hive-fork
While there are some platforms and projects that haven’t drawn a line in the sand yet, I’m very curious to see how this all plays out and will update you when I know more.
If there’s anything I’ve mistakenly included or missed, please let me know. What do you think will happen to Steem going forward? Have you started to use Hive? What do you think about all of this?
You were one of the few who handled the airdrop professionally. That list was never meant to be interpreted as a final decision.
Thanks and yeah people should definitely not just jump to conclusions
One conclusion worth maybe jumping to would be how steemit's influence will eventually impact other frontends. I have my doubts any new frontend will be free of steemit's politics. All the witnesses are 'yes men' and if the community ever has a problem, they'll have nobody to turn to. Also, when it comes to censorship, sure, yes, the content can still be viewed on other frontends (for now) but if mine was deleted, all the work I managed to get into the top 10 pages of Google would be gone. If you search my name and hit the images, that's all mine at the top and majority of that would vanish as well. So yeah, there's a bigger picture here.
Thanks for the info. I keep wondering who will be where.
I know some are trying to straddle both horses. I am still curating on steem and may find a niche to post specifically there (or work my tribe tokens somehow), but cross posters. YAWN. If I follow you on one I follow you on both and it is getting mighty redundant. I hope that will stop in the very near future.
Yeah though I expect most people will be cross posting and sharing the same content
Boring. LOL. I think it is temporary and will eventually stop. They are after all different blockchains and seeing by who moved and who stayed it seems like different audiences.
How long can we really post "thoughts" about both blockchains on both blockchains?
If you are posting on both blockchains BTW - I don't mean it as a personal attack, its just what I have been noticing as I am still curating on STEEM while my power down goes through and while I figure out which tribes will be staying and which will be making the transition
Yeah I mean for me though I post on like 15+ platforms cause my thing is reviewing platforms
.....at least you had a wallet to discover there was no airdrop, I still don't have a wallet but somehow I can still up vote accounts.
Have you tried to use https://peakd.com to access your wallet. That seem to work better then any of the alternatives.
So now I have a wallet....weren't we suppose to get an airdrop that doubled from what we have in steem?
Unless you are on the blacklist: yes. And the Hive developers messed the blacklist up so there are more people on the list that should be.
I wasn't on the black list last time I looked at the one you provided. So if I have a hundred steem than I should have gotten 200 total in Hive?....if so who do I go complain to about that if you know.
No. If you had a hundred STEEM you get a hundred HIVE resulting in 100 STEEM + 100 HIVE.
Okay, thank you.
Yeah what @Krischik said :)
Errors — yes . In first 24h Hive gave all sorts of errors but this has changed. I'm tying to upvote your post on Steem and errors all over the place. Now Steem gives all the errors.
I get the feeling that Justin Sun already has written off Steem.
#1ham
Yeah I feel like he has too
I'm just a minnow so I received the airdrop exactly the STEEM I have, I want to be neutral because the whole crypto industry can be affected for
behavior of only a few looking to destabilize the way we view decentralization
Well good to know it worked out!
what is the hive dev telegram, I'm excluded from airdrop too.
https://t.me/hiveblockchain