For some time now I have heard complaints about the Indonesian and Aceh communities here on Steemit. They are scammers, they plagiarize, they copy and paste, they beg, they have no etiquette bla bla bla. And I cannot deny, that I have experienced this myself from members of this community.
But, I have also experienced this from members of other communities here on Steemit and I’m here today to tell you why you should not overlook the Indonesian or Ache communities and cast judgement because of a small few. I want to give you some solid reasons you should support this community and I want to share with you a little data and few stats about this community/.
Let’s talk about launching a social media site for a moment. What is important for its success? At the end of the day, one of the key factors in the success of a social media site is traffic. The more users, the more traffic, the more traffic, the more users. Each one of these snowballs the other.
Now let’s talk for a moment about launching an online business. Let’s take Udemy for example. Udemy for those of you that do not know is the world’s largest online course marketplace with over 20M students. Launching in 2010 their site was the first of its kind. It allowed anyone become an instructor and courses of all topics and quality was allowed. Instructors were rewarded for bringing new student to the site by being favoured in course marketing promotions ran by Udemy.
For the first few years of Udemy existence, they did not care about the overall course content. For a long time they supported courses that offered ‘get rich’ quick approaches and make money online courses. Every our own @jerrybanfield done awesomely well out of this….These were the courses that were bringing the users, these were the courses that were bringing the traffic. And although this is not where Udemy wanted to go long term, they use this to their advantage and when they reached a growth level that could be sustained, when the snowball began to grow, Udemy changed.
From what I can remember it took Udemy 5 years to get to 10M students. This is when they changed, they stopped supporting this courses and even kicked top earning instructors off the site. It didn’t matter because the snowball was rolling fast now and within the next 2.5 years Udemy went from 10M students to 20M at the same time improving the quality of the courses they offer and removing anything that could get negative attention.
What’s this got to do with the Indonesian Community and Steemit?
The Indonesian community on Steemit is growing rapidly, check out the chart below which shows rapid growth since the end of October.
There has been a 58% increase in the number of Authors posting on Steemit since the start of 2018 to this community. This is massive and above most other communities. And this is because there are people on Steemit from these communities working very hard. There are meetups held regularly, and it’s easy to find posts about these and most of these posts have photos with Steemains holding the steem logo or some sort of proof there are discussing Steemit. I have not see as many in person meetups as there appear to be in Indonesia.
The level of media attention in Indonesia is growing strong. Check out this piece of information shared on discord
This is all very important for Steemit. Growth, Traffic, Users, More traffic, More users. And Indonesia is charging ahead. Indonesia is helping Steemit reach the traffic levels it needs for the snowball to start rolling at speed.
One big different with Steemit and Udemy though is the self-regulation and payment system. On Udemy, they ‘used’ these instructors to get traffic and then rewarded them. On Steemit, we have the choice what posts we reward. Let’s embrace the traffic and publicity that Indonesia are bringing to Steemit. For the growth phase of the platform both good and bad content are needed, strange as it may sound.
Let’s talk about Bad Content and how we can try an improve the situation on Steemit
Steemit is littered with content that is not, well let’s just say awesome. It’s littered with spam and plagiarism. For this post, let’s call all this collective ‘bad content’. Every community and every tag has some. We will never get rid of it, nature of the online world really.
But by educating and helping, there are many authors making changes and improving. Whats better is the visible sign of members from the Indonesian and Ache communities educating their members daily about etiquette, plagiarism and spam. Maybe it’s not me, maybe I am not looking hard enough but I really don’t see this happening with such focus in tags like ‘Art’ or ‘photogrpahy’
The Indonesian community are taking the advice. Check out this post from @imammalkimas sharing a message I have been trying to convey to this members of this community.
https://steemit.com/promo-steem/@imamalkimas/kunci-melakukan-yang-terbaik-dalam-komunitas
And then there is also @kisrael. After being caught by @spaminator and receiving good guidance admits
“To some extent, I didn't stand out for what Steemit is known for, Originaland Quality content.
So, I have myself to blame for the resultant effect of my actions and to the whole Steemit community, I say I AM SORRY.”
You can read that full post here
https://steemit.com/steemit/@kisrael/i-m-back-bigger-better.
Let me share something else with you. The levels of Spam and plagiarism are not as bad as you might think from this community.
Since the start of 2018 Cheetah has left 1100 messages on posts from the Indonesian and Aceh Community, spaminnator 22 and steemclearners 49. There has been 149K posts made by this community during this time.
Conclusion
So here is what I am saying, there is bad eggs everywhere, there is bad content all over the internet. Let’s not tarn everyone from one community with the same brush. Given Indonesia a chance and maybe even support because at the end of the day, they are propelling the growth of Steemit and soon we will see some awesome whales emerging from this community.
Looking at business models such as Udemy, Steemit needs the traffic. I have been working with the Indonesian Community and have belief in their ability, their willingness to learn and to grow and their ability to aid Steemit reach the traffic levels it requires. I hope more people will join me in educating this community and supporting this community and let them promote, bring new users and much needed traffic.
#whalepower is currently Supporting Indonesian.
A Curator must Ready able to Read / Moderate their content.
Higher Voting Delegation Falling in the wrong corrupt hands as I can see the Curators only give to theirs friends.
Watch Out!
I am multi-lingual and able to read many posts.
@bullionstackers for #whalepower
I agree with you @bullionstackers
I am from Indonesia. Many people say that many plagiarists are from Indonesia. In fact, sometimes one user has more than one account, or posing as a user from another country.
The reason, because curators from Indonesia do not work wisely.
But why go to another country? I see, in other countries, as bad as any article they write, they still get decent votes, their writing is appreciated, by their own curators. Look at user steemit from korea, china, japan, turkey, and even other countries, outside from indonesia. There are no empty posts. In fact, I myself have made one plagiarism account, i'm disguised as a user of korean country, korean language, I myself do not understand with writing from the country. but, everytime I write in korean, I have 6 to 8 votes in my post.
Back to Indonesia, as good as any article they write, or I write, even until there is not a single voice attached to the post, unless they lick the curators, or beg for them.
Curators from Indonesia have their own circle, if we are outside the circle they make, then there is no sound from them.
I think that's it, my face is very red if there are people who say that users from Indonesia are very influential in steemit.
I agree @eos-casper .
every post I have, I am very hard working ...
every result I make from my own creative effort, sometimes it takes up to 3-4 hours to complete the crash. but the copycats can get more results.
it could kill my imagination creation effort ..
I hope I am still supported with this news for sure work.
thank you @paulag
lucky for you being multi-lingual - I will have a look at the delegated power I have given to this community and make sure it is not just given to friends
Thank you for the friendly heads up and was not aware of #whalepower
#whalepower have doing Manual Curating since June 2017.
Our Ranking is not too bad. Recognize Permanent Tag !
I am not hesitate to Flag any bad contents, if found.
I also curate manually, but dont have the SP to make an impact...watch this space, I will be a whale one day:-)
It is not about you and me.
Steemit is about The Entire Platform.
#whalepower is only part of the platform.
I do have a Team of Curators , each to theirs own taste.
Oh!, you are not even quite a Dolphin yet.
We works in Pods derive the name from.
Should you need any assistant please do contact me. I am in Discord.
thank you kindly, I will contact you and I fully agree, it is not about you and me, in fact I don't even have the power I own, due to time constraints I thought it be better to delegate mine out cos I just don't have much time to curate at the moment, but give me a month and I will have so much more time - have a nice day, thanks for poping by
always be monitoring and emphasis on steemit progress.
success and glorious steemit Indonesia
Suporter to ksi
Im thankful for the comments I have gotten from the Aceh community. Many write good english and are involved in my posts. A small percentage of them do not speak good english and its hard to interact with them, as if they are using google translate which seems to get "lost in translation" sometimes. I enjoy their posts as their climate allows for some really tropical plants that I enjoy seeing. Its nice seeing life around the world.
Too much drama here!
The Academy award is on 3 March.. Can't wait to see the winner goes to.. 😂
Indeed Mr. Muklis...indeed, so let's try to stop this sad drama together. :)
The best actor goes to...
Winners are .....?....ha...ha..!
This is a real or fake one? small percentage compare to the whole lager community?
This analisys also explain why we should care about indonesia..
continue your mission buddy, I will support every step you take. you are ok..?
itu yang banyak di mana (indonesia nya?)
Pengguna esteem terbanyak di 2017..
Lebih jelasnya pada post tersebut.
perfect graphic to explain - nice share thanks
Thanks for the very interesting post @paulag. I think that your post about indonesia highlights one of the major strengths of the decentralised and voluntary nature of the Steemit platform.
Censorship and demonetisation is the only option that traditional social media sites (twitter, youtube, instagram) and other user created content sites (Udemy) have to control unwanted traffic and user content. Unfortunately this method harms many creators of content unjustly.
On Steemit, the platform self regulates itself, yes you will have bad actors and opportunistists that come onto the platform, but they will be found out quickly and the platform users will take the appropriate action to flag such users. Yes there will be instances of incorrect or unjust flagging, however there are numerous cases of members defending others members that have been flagged unjustly and the issue being resolved.
Steemit has its imperfections, but its design is so ingenuis that although bad actors may be able to benefit in the short-term, it is the true value creators who will ultimately come out on top and do well on the platform.
I always just try to remember that Steemit is a community, Indonesia are members of that greater community. It does not really matter which community creates the value, it will ultimately be recognised.
Thank you, @paulag, you are very concerned about this community, you have a noble heart. I am amazed and proud of you. and I do not deny what you write in your article about Indonesian society. and that's the fact, bad eggs are everywhere. But what should we think about "how can we empower and process bad eggs into something that has more value?" Not necessarily something bad, it will always be bad, just like humans, not necessarily bad humans. We hope that bad will be good.
thats the idea, teach them the way
Excellent article
welcome back to steemit
I stand up for all the global audience everywhere... if we don't take the broad perspective, we're going to be just as bad as the governments and corporations that keep selling the developed road down the river of debt, poverty and exploitation. We gotta keep rising above it and uniting. Peace and let's keep diversifying our way to mega decentralized unity. peace all !!
well said
I can understand that people from less well off countries are desperate to make anything, but we have to persuade them that begging and spamming are not good strategies for steemit. There's great potential to build something amazing. People can start new businesses offering services, eg translation. As steemit grows we have to help the newbies get started on the right path
basically begging is not the answer for us .. we as a beginner can conclude that we need guidance .. and that we are begging it is a guidance to be more perfect our knowledge in mastering steemet forward .. thanks for your attention to our country that stillleft behind,
fall behind
drop behind
please can help us
@steevc
I offer advice when I get a bad comment. Sometimes they take it
I agree with your opinion ..
if they are high level can help those who are weak .. then my analysis forward steemet will be more advanced and more easily get profit ..
even steemeans without any more beggars and even more professional users .. thank you lord for his opinion ...
-save the Steemet cadres
@steevc
@steemeans
@steevc thank you for your comment. Steemit can offer so much, you are right and the more people willing to help newbies start on the right path or even turn a corner to make it to the right path the better
Thanks for make this article for indonesian @paulag
Steemit is like a game so many minds are drained. So sometimes there is intrigue in it. I give the appreciation. Thank @paulag.
I applaud your care @paulag towards Indonesia and Especially Aceh. Nothing wrong you have said. It is reality now. Even the worst thing now is to provide flags for posting without any basis. But I concluded by myself that the flags of other posts are jealous. Who knows, the heart can not be dived.
Thanks @paulag, Steemit users in Indonesia, and Aceh community on the rise, we're struggling to develop and educate them be writers and avoid plagiarism.
If among the users of Steemit Aceh and Indonesia there is plagiarism, meaning they are new to this platform without our introduction. But we keep trying not to be ashamed to ask them to ask about Steemit.
I think you're very concerned with Steemit users in Indonesia, and Aceh. But we are very sorry, many new users who introduce themselves correctly and get a guide without anyone appreciate it?
Thanks, we're very grateful that you care very much for us. Sorry if my length commented.
Definitely, there are good and bad in every region, race and country. Instead of getting rid of them, lets talk about finding ways of making them follow the right path. If we succeed, everyone will get benefit out of it. I completely agree with you on this matter.
Good job...
I really appreciate you to try leave comment here. I hear you have try to make and learn how to write in good in Bahasa Indonesia. Next time try to expand your ability and learn English language.
Good job! .... This word is the beginning, please try to expand your effort, try lot of practice and you will better soon. :)
we really like to write, although plagiarized, but in every post we always learn and keep learning, thanks for having made this post, honestly for me this is very interesting
Thank you @paulag have given your appreciation for us steemit indonesia.
we will also learn to post well.
we are glad that you become one of those who pays attention to our development in Indonesia and Aceh. we hope to develop Steemit with them in the community to get to know the real and clean steemit of red message. @paulag; Thank you very much
thanks my friend from indonesia who is in tag jabotabek. I see your post I am very happy. indeed Indonesia is growing rapidly with the steemit. start learning banyank without having to trace someone else's post and do good. and hopefully Indonesia is not always considered bad. thank you
Start much learning...(correction) koreksi buat start learning banyak . Good effort to try give comment in English. Just keep going on you will be better.
thanks a lot of masters who always support me and always teach me. I am proud to know you. you just near me I want to embrace to express my gratitude.
No... I don't want you embrace me, except you are pretty lady...ha..ha.. just smile and make original post and use good etiquette on steemit, you will be become better person and make proud for Indonesian community. Nice buddy ! :)
hahah i love this
Good
please do not comment with words briefly dikolom comments of others.
because this is considered spam
the words you write are things that are prohibited on the steemit platform.
sorry i just give advice only
Just one word?
Thank you for your attention to our especially, we are indeed new to steemit a couple of months, but we are trying to learn better, because we have a small community, KSI Chapter Jabotabek who where under the supervision of The community of Indonesia, and we here support each other mutually and learn to better make a decent post to read. Once again thank you so much for all his attention to the community of Indonesia.
Nice, let's try to share our knowledge to other, so we will make better and give education about steemit from two approaching. From personal and through small community
I agree with you, and let us together build this small community in order to be great, and you are a good teacher for me and other friends.
:)
often an obstacle for me is to write well and correctly, because my base is not as a writer but I try hard to improve my writing for easy to understand.
thank you for opening the insight for us especially me as a new steemian in indonesia.
Greetings levi22
Yes, just keep going on to practice writing, you will better soon. Nice :)
Thank you for writing about steemit users in Indonesia and Aceh. Although growing very rapidly, I admit there are still many shortcomings of users steemit Indonesia and Aceh. However, we always learn to continue to produce good and useful postings.
Let's share our good attitude and make as example, hope we can give good example for newcomers. Nice !
It should be. Show, to new users that our community has good intentions in steemit.
I have seen plenty of good, original posts from Steemians in Aceh. I curated for the @foraging-trail and the @gardening-trail and some of the most successful folks there were from Aceh. Because they lived close to the land and wrote about their own experience, with photos of what's around them. The two most successful were @steemgold and @steemvest17. They are still cranking out the posts, too, and serve as good examples of consistent and persistent creators of original content! But the pressures to cash out are so strong, from the pressures of life, that it seems difficult for people to grow their own sustainable community.
hay @haphazard-hstead thank you for sharing such exampleory steemains with us
good information, this might be so our learning community in indonesia particularly special to be able to get better again
Indeed you're right
I very much appreciate your writing @paulag, I thank you a lot for guide and steer us in the right direction so the world steemit are not filled with spam, and things that smelled of cheating. We will strive to continue to make our original content and produces works as best as possible.
I like this post @paulag
Thanks for sharing,
at other times i will make better postings again :)
I bet you will make better post in the future
Thank you for your trust and support. I hope that I and this community can be even better. and I hope you will continue to provide trust and support ...
Thank you...@paulag
by @ alinurman
Indeed
You are quite write in your arguement but that notwithstanding should not be the reason steemit should not take punishable action against serial plagiarists and fraudsters.
@eurogee
yes I agree, serial offenders are more than a pain in the ass. But many people want help and want to be shown the right way and I for one are all for positive change and giving people the opportunity.
I think you have a point!
I have to admit that the growth of Flatform Steemit users in Indonesia is really very high in a few months, but that is still some of us who do it, either by intent or without understanding more about steemit, thanks @paulag has written about us, this is what we need do to be better based on your reference
How does Anpaa's opinion in neutralizing the event of this discussion, so as to provide new ways for beginners in Faltform Steamed really understand the meaning of the White Book?
Thank you Soo much for your attention on Indonesian community. Actually we have given some education for newcomers from Indonesia. Many efforts we have done to educate how to use well steemit and about etiquette on steemit. Sometimes we use communities approach or personal approaching. Yes, that's still need a lot of effort to educate Indonesian user. But Personally, I prefer to educate Indonesian newcomers using personal approaching, also for public education using post that contains about how to use steemit well and make introduction etiquette on steemit through making post. Yes we still struggling to educate newcomers especially from Indonesia. But sometimes we give warn to steemians from Indonesia directly, when we see not appropriate posting.
thanks for stopping by @happyphoenix. I am not to concerned about the issues raised with this community because I know there are people like you doing the right thing and helping and educating. As long as we have that, we will produce awesome steemains no matter where they are from
@paulag my apologies, I share your posting to several Indonesian newcomers and ask them to read it and give comment. Some of them ever asked how to train their English, so I encourage them to read your post and try to give comment. My apologies, they're coming from various social background.
do not apologies....the more that see it the better, we welcome all backgrounds here :-)
Thank you so much :).
Reading your article and then bumped into your big-hearted comment here makes my day. Thank you for being so positive in seeing my fellow countrymen. Keep up the encouraging atmosphere, @paulag. Thank you from the Chain Of Emerald country in the equator.
I understand the meaning of this post, I am new in this steemit
thank you pack input
please help me from aceh
A very appropriate solution and that does not mean I want to advance, if the father's father is willing to advance should we be grateful.
I was originally from ACEH-INDONESIA .. I was initially confused with my enthusiastic steemet that was not achieved, but several days later I learned little by bit in order to deepen the science of steemet .. actually enthusiastic aceh people in particular need to be rewardedjust as you say (snowball)the spirit of aceh people in using a very large steemet even hope we can master the ins and outs more deeply ..
please guidance and direction for steemet advancement and growing the greater chance to recruit users .. thanks ..
@paulag
Indonesia is an archipelago and a population that is overwhelmingly and now most of the population of indonesia, particularly aceh, steemit use with most steemit users in indonesia, no wonder if steemit should be concerned with the Indonesian..
I agree with your statement. I heard from some people that the dominance of friends from Aceh has developed steemit in Indonesia. But, I was looking into who actually came to the first conference to Amsterdam at the first SteemFest event initiated by @roelandp. I say thank you special for @paulag, have told me about this. very happy. also to @john.docla. Thank you very much,
i'm a plankton in this community. Generalization and stereotyping is not the way built understanding and good relation. We try to build the same value of sharing and giving too.
Wow!
I love your comparism with the Indonesian community and udemy that's actually true when people lambast the Indonesian community but the truth is some countries community are even more worse.
However not to throw away the baby with the bath water I'd say I really think they need orientation, maybe a couple of meet-up will do, maybe a community curation buddy, this way they will know there is ettiquette and procedures and they will adjust to life here
Thank you, your post has represented our aspirations of Aceh and Indonesia steemans. Because steemit here has entered the countryside.
I always make to the point correct if I see some authors from Indonesia and Aceh asking for upvote and follow. I always replied to their post in any post I sees them.
It is our part also as a community to help them. Educate them and enhance there own skills, talents and capabilities.
Thanks for citing the facts amongst Indonesian and we know it's not general since there are promising indo authors who use #untalented
Bless you!
Thank you for your interest. I've made a really wonderful article. Well done, my friend
Hi, @paulag, Steemit as it stands is constructed to reward good quality contents and to ignore bad quality and plagiarized contents. Those who work hard to produce good contents have all the encouragement to continue, while those bad contents creators are naturally discouraged and subsequently would have no choice than to throw in the towel.
there is a lot of good quality content from this community but the average post payout is well below the average on steemit. Hold on I will get you some data to prove it
Almost 95% of posts from this category earn less than $1sbd
now compare this to the benchmarking report I produce where this is only 64%
https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@paulag/jan-2018-steemit-post-benchmarking-report-blockchain-business-intelligence
Good stats. But sometimes, even when those with high SP and a good number of followers just sneeze, they earn over $100 SBD, but those without much SP, however good their posts are, they earn relatively very low.
I agree completely about what you are saying about the Art and Photography Tags.
Being two of the most popular tags to use they are litter with lots of low quality and plagiarized content. I have tried to give friendly comments in the past but the tags themselves are such a wide catch all term. What is ART anyway. These areas need to be divided into more sub tags and maybe the long promised community feature can help with this.
I think the community feature will help a lot with this, but with indonesia as a tag, well there are many community members and leaders working behind the scenes trying to reslove problems and what seems to differ is that the people doing the same in art or photography are not engaging with the community like the people from Indonesia.
follow and vote muktariza011095
Please don't do that, asking for follow and vote is not proper conduct on steemit.
I like it.. and that's my suport to me and to my brother steemian... help me and help to my brother in steemit this is mister @happyphoenix
:)
I'm sorry
:)
because if both the younger generation is good a nation
oke thanks
Hi bro @Happyphoenix... I have seen you several days ago around steemit and now it seems that you are very active... I just create a discord for Aceh (here) I think we can gather all of Acehenese steemian friends there. Wanna help me?!
Thanks in advance
Thank you for sharing interesting information about steemit development in Indonesia especially Aceh. Today steemit is very popular in Aceh.
As the platform keeps on growing, more and more trash will get here anyways... trash isn't geographically exclusive, and that's why it's vital that all of us spend time curating rather than delegating to bots.
you have reached the magic number...60 awesome....thanks for stopping by, and your comment is spot on
Thank you for your attention...
this writing pokes me ,, I feel ashamed of myself. I will try to make it a motivation for me to do better. @paulag