Many are calling for a limit on self-voting. I think it's a fair addition to the app, since I would say the code scales, but does Steem Culture as it stands, really scale to the masses?!
I contend more direction will have to be built-in, and simply turning off self-voting may help at least direct people away from behaviors, who are not really looking to cheat, but simply are trying every feature, to understand the app shortly after signup.
steemreports and other sites reveal associated voting patterns, which have to be policed anyway.. I'm familiar with the game theory arguments for allowing self-voting, but I contend 90% of users are not interested in gaming the system, and will just want to be part of a community and post.
Tell me this, dummy, why would ANYONE buy Steem just to reward others while not rewarding themselves? Doesn't that seem ass backwards to you?
If I'm buying Steem and powering it up, you sure as shit better believe I'm going to upvote myself as much as possible.
Remove/limit self-voting and you remove EVERY reason to buy Steem.
You get curation rewards as well as interest rate on SP. I don't self upvote, and neither with 10x or 100x more SP, I still wouldn't self upvote, just because of moral reasons. By helping others now, you also increase the value of Steem later, because this builds a strong community.
Congratulations? I dunno, that seems silly to me, but, to each their own...
I totally understand if you don't find your content to have any value, but then why write it in the first place?
Neah, we just have different mentalities :) Don't you have more satisfaction when there are other people voting your posts instead of yourself?
And also, don't you find it more satisfying when you upvote a complete stranger, who worked a lot for a post that nobody upvoted?
On the other side, I don't judge anybody who self upvotes. This whole place is something completely amazing, because we can see how people act as communities or individuals when money are involved. And it is a case study that keeps the data immutable. I guess this should be more expensive than it really is :)
You sound very clear to me . Thanks @mejustandrew
What @berniesanders say may be rough, but it's the hard truth. The way the Steem blockchain works incentives everyone to be content producers. We Steemians can't compare ourselves to regular internet folks who binge Buzzfeed videos. We are all trying to be the youtubers and the medium bloggers of the blockchain. What incentives non-steemian content creators to go great lengths to create content elsewhere in the internet?
That's right.
And if it helps them to motivate themselves, a self-vote that big of a deal.
And to honest self voting isnt even that much of an issue when compared to the other problems the Steem blockchain is currently facing.
Not everyone. You see only a part of the ecosystem and believe that this is it. There are curators, voting bots, people looking for advertisment, and many others. Soon (hopefully) this ecosystem will grow even more with SMTs.
What other issues?
I believe @kevinwong did a few very explanatory posts about it.
I'm not in favor of turning off self-voting. Holders of SP must have ways to profit from their SP while not powering down. If you restrict those ways too much there will be adverse consequences.
But two things come to mind as to why buying STEEM makes sense even without the possibility of self-voting:
If you don't power up STEEM, you can still buy it for speculative reasons, which is why it has mainly been bought in the past and why it continues to be bought to this day.
Also, if powering up in order to be able to self-vote makes sense, then delegating to bidbots makes sense, too, which requires powering up.
Hey MarkyMark!
YES, we can change steem economy so that this all makes sense, I just read Kevin Wong tonight, I agree with his views; your views are not going to help long term, and won't fix a broken economy, and I don't care if you buy SP or not bro!
Plenty of takers when we change it around so doing NO WORK and sitting on ass won't create value.
I am not MarkyMark, have you gone retarded?
I laughed so much reading this comment :)) I don't even know why I find it funny...
the new social network ONO ... the death of steemit? ... I have been saying for a long time that the great problem of steemit is the bad distribution of wealth ... and that if the powerful ones, that with greed accumulate sp and instead of beginning to delegate in a cheaper way sp, so that many of us win, prefering to sell votes the future of steemit is doubtful and people end up leaving steemit... in this new social network (ONO) there is equal voting power for all... there is no voting power ... maybe they have to start thinking about changing things in steemit... because if it stays the same, steemit will die and it will be they, those who have more, who lose the most ...
in these days this new social network comes out internationally... It was a success in China where the first launch was made ... I mention it so that all think a little and do something so that steemit does not die and lower the value of our coins so much ... or they will continue to have millions, but millions of nothing
Provided developer interest in Steem continues to grows and future SMTs continue to favor Steem Power accumulation for dApps, there will naturally be more centralizaton of STEEM and I see nothing wrong with that. How that filters down accordingly will be through SMTs, which will serve to decentralize power accordingly through unique communities.
The problem of today is that Steem seems too dependent on Steemit to be viewed in any other context. Decentralized functionality found in dapps with unique tokens backed by Steem is what will make Steem far more useful as a reserve currency than in its current state.
Imagine a steemmonsters SMT that wields users increase benefits in the Steemmonsters universe. The success of that SMT will surely benefit all steem holders, but power itself is distributed more fairly because someone who has little interest in Steem and more interest in Steemmonsters can have more influence in the niche community absent of having meaningful influence in the world of Steem.
if this, if that ... steemit dies ... I do not want it to be that way because I love steemit... and this social network ONO is going to finish killing if it works well... I do not understand how all these guys are so smart but they do not realize when something is dying and they do not do anything to save it ...
as well as ONO killed the beatles going to kill steemit lol
If anything, i blame the long time minnows who can't figure out how to get people to like their stuff. Disregarding the @steemit,@steem, and exchange accounts, wealth distribution seems on par with Zipf's law to me. other than the stupidly long tail.
Well, are YOU doing anything? i dont get the mentality of non-whales pointing fingers to whales and tell them to "you should do this, do that" from their armchair. Everyone can do something. not just the "whales". these "the whales should something" talk is so reminiscent of how poor people in poor countries blaming everything to their government while not doing anything about their circumstances. Those who work don't complain.
Steem is the beginning of an experiment to tokenize the web, it will be a process years in the making (it took 40 years to get the internet to where it is today). Expect Bugs.. I don't know how ONO will do what it promises, but their vision sounds... Keynesian, to me.
blame the fish?jajajajaa...If you blame the fish you do not know what is the distribution of wealth...
that many minnows dont do anything and post shit and expect them to vote just for belonging to steemit is true...always criticize that.. it's not my case
steemit is going to die for the ones who have the most and his greed, not for the minnow ... but they will also be the ones who lose the most when they die ... then they do not cry like little girls ... but if you think different I respect it...
keep accumulating and asking sp the minnow instead of giving it more accessible and see how steemit dies ...
So... Steemit dies unless welfare to the poor? There's no more argument here.
My God ... I said that? no ... what I say in this way people leave steemit because they do not see the future... but how do you explain that a 1millon account was created recently but only 60,000 are active? because people do not see the future and it goes away ... people do not trust that the platform deserves to give their time and publish quality ... that's why the shit that is published is published ... as you explain that such a spectacular social network As steemit only 6% is active ... I'll explain it to you ... for everything I said before ... because the reality of steemit leads to that... and the fault is of the minnow? coherence...
simple ... and if you and the powerful do not want to see it will not change anything ... and therefore will die ... I repeat the most lost will be those who can change things
Let's just make it clear.. Steemit is a microcosm of the real world.. It is designed to be a microcosm of the real world. Vests act as shares of a company and those with more Vests gets a bigger say. There is a clear reason why Ned and Dan designed it to be this way.
And I still really don't see your argument behind "powerful ones should do something". In your OP you suggested "delegate away SP in a cheaper way". Now unless there is clear gains in delegating SP to a project or to someone, why would me with an so delegate to some guy who don't do shit other than post a food photo 3 times a day?
There are reasons why the poor stay poor and it applies here too.
It's my so and I do whatever I want with it. You can pitch to me why I should delegate to you but no one is entitled to my SP.
Those who don't give anything to the platform can't expect to take everything from the platform.
Do you love putting words in my mouth that I did not say no? ...
the one who publishes that shit that you said should not give them anything ... they're earning what they deserve ...
but those who publish quality and make projects so that they do not leave the platform have to trust the platform ... and each time they trust less ... those who give value to this platform end up abandoning it because they do not see the future. ..and that's why he will end up dying