Hi guys, how's it going. The @tipU curation project has almost a week now and I've got enough data to implement first changes.
Guidelines
I totally understand that "go ahead and curate best content" is not the most precise piece of information that you can get so now, as we can review how curators are using @tipu, we can start to create more defined guidelines. Please note that this list will be evolving but for now we have:
- no higher self-curation than 50% (more about that in a moment)
- max post age - 2 days
- no curation of low-effort posts, like single mobile photo with few words, automatically crated content etc.
- there's no need to curate posts from authors that have 4 mln sp ;)
Not following those guidelines puts you in danger of loosing the curator status. Apart from that I, as many other curators, are actively reviewing the curations so really, try to find posts where the authors really put some effort into.
Score Calculations
This one is still evolving. Recently the score, that could go into negative numbers, was ditched and efficiency (ranging from 0% to x %) was introduced. It basically measures the actual curation reward compared to the standard (50% of vote value) reward. In the upcoming days efficiency or curator's available mana will be adjusted to take into account self curations ratio and votes diversity.
Self curations ratio = self curations / all curations
Votes diversity = authors curated / all curations
First proposition is to take curation mana for self curation > 25% and give for curation diversity > 75%.
Non-Linear Reward Curve, Vote Value And Voting Power
I'm sill tying to find a good balance between those 3 variables.
First thing you need to know is that small votes are punished on STEEM since HF21 - if the post doesn't get at least few $ in value. In other words throwing tons of 1% votes on posts that end up in around $1 in value is wasting voting power.
That's why the higher tier curators throw by default 3%-4% so that the post can get some decent value and be closer to the reward curve.
Please expect further tweaking of the default vote, including 3% vote even for lvl 0 curators - that would mean one curation per day for those curators so let's hope they make them count ;)
Also we're also burning too much voting power currently which means that either we have too many curators or too much curation mana is available for everyone - probably both.That's why I and other curators will start to actively review curators and remove those who use the tool to upvote low-effort posts or curate mainly themselves.
Website Updates
Almost every day the website gets some updates, I probably spend too much time on this instead of reviewing the curations. One more section that is needed is the curations review page where all the recent curations will be listed with some stats - soon(TM).
https://tipu.online/curators
@tipu @cardboard i love what ur doing and i got u huge delegator around week ago, im sure uve noticed ;)
<3 Although the delegations are slowly going lower, I wish I could power down those curation rewards faster ;)
I would have thought self curating with @tipu would have been blocked or at least frowned upon - I would like to think most curators using it are able to restrain themselves about that.
I have successfully made a few votes so far - but I have a dilemma. My heart wants to support the people getting very few votes, boosting them extra then my own vote allows. But my head says I need to keep in mind the authors that always get big rewards, and then use it early on to get the best curation return. The problem is so many people are doing this now - the same authors are just getting bigger and higher rewarded posts because everyone is chasing the same curation goal.
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Yep, this is probably a dilemma of everyone who has some more STEEM POWER. I suggest balancing those two :)
Thank you, I agree it is a bit of a quandary and I suppose balancing between unappreciated content and what you know will get big rewards is the only way forward. I presume @tipu needs a good curation return to keep running - so getting a good dose of those posts that will end up getting very high rewards is a necessary evil.
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Sometimes you can find a underappreciated post that will get big reward afterwards :)
At first, I thought the same thing. But but then I thought that @tipu is not a charity.. I came to the conclusion that is all about numbers and there is a balance to be maintained between quality and rewards.
Yes, I agree it does seem the best option is balancing between using the curation vote to support smaller under appreciated accounts and grabbing a few posts that you know will get high rewards early to pull back some good curation return for @tipu.
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You perfectly understand what I meant... which is what I’m doing, with good results. ;-)
I know what you mean, when I saw this I thought that most people are only waiting for the reward for curation, I usually use the votes to value the good work of those authors who are being abandoned, who get few votes, I am not interested in being at level 10 on tipu, this is about newsteem, we can not be so greedy and think only of ourselves, it is not about being a charity or giving away votes, nor that we can not vote to our friends and acquaintances, it is about maintaining a balance and take advantage of opportunities correctly.
But not everyone has that same thought, which is why we need not only measures in terms of content, but also for the curator.
I think we do share the same mind set, Steem as a blockchain has always been to me about supporting and helping accounts grow.
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Isn't that one of the reasons some people use for downvoting is that some posts are getting too much upvotes/$$$? More or less "leveling the playing field". My hats off to the good curators who can go through all these posts to find those gems.
How can one be a curator? I can not find it back?
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Love how this is evolving, @cardboard! The past couple of weeks have been crazy hectic offline, but I'm hoping to give this project more attention now (although all those numbers hurt my brain...LOL!). 😊
Jep, totally on board with the cleanup. Get that junk out!
But:
Can we make a clear distinction between trash and casualposts?
I still think, that even there is a vast difference between those posts.
One gritty photo (which might even be plagarized) with totally broken (not even understandable) english? Okay trash.
One photo with a normal quality, which still looks good and some nice words, which are just some quick notes? A well made meme? One nicely done sarcastic comment on an article? Casual post.
Twitter became so big, because it has a maximum character count, not a minimum.
Don't get me wrong here: I'm not saying that those long posts are bad. I'm just saying that not every "short" post is bad.
(Also it will get kinda hard to find hundreds of posts per week which are hitting specific high words and "quality" criteria.)
Also those casual posts don't have to get hundreds of bucks, but a little token of appreciation once in a while, would be really nice for them.
(Who knows? Maybe that one meme is so damn well made, it will be everywhere after that.)
Agree on all points :) Probably the manual review of curations is crucial here.
Sometimes a long post can just be a long word salad without much value and another can be short but still convey a great story/idea. For me a post should tell a good story or make me want to read more from that author.
my 2 cents, and keep up the good work!
https://steempeak.com/steemit/@tobetada/reviewing-automatic-manual-curation
Thank you.
This is a great and creative project!
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@tipu curate
Upvoted 👌
Ahh, need to block curating @tipu ;)
Can I become a curator? @tipu
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Currently nominations are paused as we burn voting power too fast.
OK 👍
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Well when you do open the gates again @cardboard, I'd love to be considered as a curator. Thanks for moving forward under #newsteem post-hf21. 👍
Nice
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Very well done, @cardboard! I look forward to hearing your news and... Keep up the good work!!!
Any update on tokens not being recieved for reinvestments?
Have you checked your payout info at https://tipu.online ?
Limiting supply, currently I'm not printing new TPUs. Standard payouts are issued instead.
Ah, just checked. Maybe put an announcement up when token reinvestment is not working
Dzięki za update. Troche się to klaruje.
The rule becomes more feasible than before.👍🏻
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@cardboard Can we please have tipu reply with voting mana stats as a comment?
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Should be easy to do :)
Easy for cardboard :)
@cardboard curate 100
I'm really enjoying being a part of the manual curation effort @cardboard.
To piggyback a little on some of the things @c0ff33a mentioned. There is the dilemma of trying to balance supporting of low earning content creators, with higher earners, as to maximize the curation reward and ranking.
I've taken to a balancing act of sorts, because I like to empower the small users. If they are ignored, then newsteem doesn't really fix some of the old problems that we had prior. All in all, I think the manual curation efforts are making quite a substantial difference for the better.
And about the self curation thing.. I see it as an interesting "psychological" test if you will.. Maybe a good way to figure out who's motives are true, and will help with the weening process, should you need to can some curators ;)
I hope I make the cut. 🙂
I would like to do curations with @tipu, I know that at the moment you are saturated but I also know that with these new guidelines that you are implementing there will soon be vacancies. @cardboard please place me on the waiting list.
Wow- there's some very important information here that I was not aware of. Thank you.
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Congratulations excellent work. I wish you all the best of success. @tipu
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I am really loving this opportunity to help undervalued posts. My request is that I can switch out the links to go to steempeak or busy instead of steemit. And I would get rid of the self-vote option altogether.
@cardboard Will you guys notify us once the nominations open up again as I would love to nominate my @theluvbug account which is SOLELY for curating good content.
As far as I can tell it seems like the curation reward calculation is performed at end of day on votes cast by curators during that day. This doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't it be better to perform the calculation for each vote when the post voted actually pays out? You aren't currently capturing the true curation reward received by tipu for votes, and in particular you are dramatically undervaluing the contribution of all curators who are actually finding true gems when they have low reward. Just as an example, I voted this post with tipu when it was around $1 payout, and then a day later (after already receiving payment for that curation from tipu) the same post was featured by OCD/OCDB and is at $32 payout... this is great for tipu, but my score for the day doesn't reflect it at all because the calculation was performed before the post went on to get the big upvote.
From the tipu website:
I must be blind or cannot see it on my mobile phone but nowhere I can find the info back how to be a curator. 🤔 Pity you do not share this info.
All those rules I already found/read.
Btw I sent a tip but it was not worth more as described on their site, not even 50% and that surprises me too.
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Hello. How to calculate the projected amount of curation and author's rewards? With a linear curve, everything was easy, but now it is unclear. What formula and what api methods to use for calculation. Thank you.
The Steem community nevers ceases to amaze me. These curation projects on the blockchain are, in my opinion, very valuable. I notice your guidelines are very similar to those I encountered while hanging out with curie, the incubator and C2. I was never a Curie Curator but I enjoyed bringing suggestions to the curators for consideration. I would like to join your organization if you have room for me. I post content and love to promote others' music related content. @tipu