@kryptogames. I joined your site to play BlackJack with Steem via a banner on one of @vlemon's posts. After a win of 200 Steem I decided to take my good luck and stop playing. HOWEVER, my referrer @vlemon mentioned that it is possible to Stake my GAMERS token (of which I now have ~ 1,500,000 +, but I have tried OVER and OVER and OVER again in the past two days to stake the damn tokens, and each time I am getting an error message to the effect of a problem with the "authorization" when I run the stake request through EITHER SteemConnect (browser AND desktop versions) and Steem Keychain. One commentor asked me to make sure each of these holds my "active key" and after checking I can confirm that they both DO. I am now down 500 Steem, and a lot of wasted time and energy, mainly because I made my decision to continue playing based on the fact that I could stake. My plan now is that you don't help me fix this stake issue I will continue to spend time (which I SHOULD be doing other important things) trying to get back the 500 Steem (which I ONY decided to continue playing because I was TOLD that it was possible to stake my gamer tokens) or in the worst case senario I will play down my remaining hard-earned Steem and then never play your game again, AND report this experience with the screenshots to back up my claims to a larger audience on Steemit. I'm sorry to have to say it like this, and I DO take SOME responsibility for my decision to continue playing. However, if I had know there would be this kind of problem I would have LIKELY stopped playing when I did, because I am well aware of how dangerous gambling can be (especially online). I was primarily interested in experimented to see if proper gambling could be pulled off on the Steem blockchain, and that I did learn to be true. However, now I am in a difficult situation primarily because the TERMS of my decision to continue playing seem to have been either false, or there is a technical glitch by which I agreed to continue playing unaware of that glitch until it was too late. Please advise...
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You should stop to play Blackjack, I don't know any players who won on that game... I'm sorry for your story, I lost also on that game and the owner said himself that most of his profits come from that game. So it is impossible to know if this game is really fair or not as no one is controlling it like real casino.
The hash that they are showing 2 minutes after the game could be a sequence of card prehashed, recorded and display when it needs to be display to justify the result. So again, if you play that game, you must trust that casino, you have no other way to be sure it is 100% fair.
For my part I don't want take position about the fairness of the game, but for sure this casino is making nice money and its dividend distribution is not fair so if you are starting to play for the token, I can already say you that you will never have back your STEEM with the token, the current dividend distribution is very very very low
Thanks for your empathetic words. I have decided to stop playing the Kryptogames Blackjack and instead play Blackjack for BTC at https://bitcoinvideocasino.com/blackjack , where the game is more natural (you don't have to wait to click every transaction like this ridiculous one. I am more angry at @vlemon for promoting this game, and since I trusted his judgement I gave it a try, until I realized that I was in over my head. I have now ended by ongoing collaboration with @vlemon because of this. He is STILL promoting this game after people who joined under him lost BIG. That to me is unacceptable. I a HOPING that I can make enough on the more "real" Blackjack game on the other site to simply replenish the ~ 1,200 I have lost this past week.
@transcript-junky We need to clarify two things for you:
Okay. Let me try to make my point clearly here.
I commend your effort at succesfully executing a Steem-blockchain based casino where people can play (specifically BlackJack) right in the Steem platform. Dividends and staking issues aside, that is an accomplishment. If I had just stopped playing before the staking issue (when I had won ~ 100 Steem and bought some SteemMonsters cards) I would have been happy. Shame on me.
Having said that, "gambling time" is "fast time", and so a glitch like the staking one on Steem Keychain is something that YOU are responsible for. You can't expect the PLAYER to take responsibility for "contacting us on Discord" because of a technical error which OTHER players had, and which challenged the player's ability to make an informed decision.
I don't think that having a referral program for a gambling site on Steemit is an ethical decision. I am proof of this. I had NO INTENTION of gambling on Steemit until I saw the post by @vlemon (who WAS a trusted colleague of mine, and who I am no longer associating with as a result of this). When don't you keep that in mind as you proceed. Is it really worth making all that Steem if you are going to sow chaos in the community here?
I STOPPED playing the Kryptogames blackjack two days ago, as I did an A/B experiment with the PRIMARY Bitcoin casino I have successfully played on in the past : https://bitcoinvideocasino.com I deposited 0.05 BTC two days ago and the process is much more enjoyable, and seems to be MUCH more in like with true "feel" of BlackJack. Playing blackjack has a RHYTHM to it, and I spent most of the time on YOUR platform clicking the buttons to confirm every transaction, and that throws off the game complete - not to mention the fact that I STILL believe your odds are heavily rigged. So instead of chasing "dirty money" on a "dirty platform", I will now use my 0.05 to chase the dirty money with "clean money", and if I lose that then "shit happens".
It's obvious that other people commenting here are coming to generally similar to conclusions to mine (that is, that "something just ain't right" with this), and so based on the consensus I have voted with my feet.
That's my two cents.
Good luck.
Good use of mumbo-jumbo followed by some passive aggressiveness. That stuff is not going to work with the intelligent crowd here. Combines with your more aggressive tactic with @cryptopassion it will be interesting to see how long you (likely Asians) will be able to keep this thing afloat. You're not dealing with dummies here.
No, SteemKeychain is NOT working fine "as always". The whole point is that I, as well as @vlemon (who posted a confirmation that he had the same issue) HAD that issue. So it is not fine "as always". It was "not fine" at a critical moment in time, and I DID post about it here on Steemit, and you DID NOT respond. I can screenshot that for you, which also has the time I made that post. I will just have to look for it.
Not at all. In fact, I communicated with him and he expressed the same concern. The reason I am have dissociated myself involves NOT JUST this one issue - but that is irrelevant here. I have lost at blackjack on other sites and NOT made this same sort of complaint. I will say, however, that if people promote sites which turn out to lack integrity then that is a danger to the community as a whole, which is the whole reasoning behind the major social media sites banning advertisement of ICOs. It is better to catch the problem BEFORE community members have a problem. A SteemConnect update is NOT the responsibility of the PLAYER. As an online gambling operation YOUR side of the "contract" is to provide WORKING machinery related to the game. It's like if I went into a casino in Las Vegas and the buttons on video poker didn't work properly. That's a legal "breach of contract" in legalese. Losing NATURALLY is one the PLAYER'S responsibility, but losing because there is a technical glitch is the HOUSE'S. That's why Las Vegas has strict regulatory mechanisms to ensure that machine are operational according to strict state-legilated standards (ex. Nevada (for Las Vegas), and New Jersey (for Atlantic City).
Understood, but it also throws off the natural pace of the game. This is my critique on the TECHNOLOGY overall, but since I believe it also has a negative effect on the game this is a main reason I have decided to stop playing. Had I known this would be such a problem earlier I would have more likely stopped playing a few days earlier. But I didn't have all of the information yet.
My understanding of "provable fairness" has been that there is an OBJECTIVE algorithm which is transparent, and which can't be manipulated by the house. It cannot be EXPECTED that all of the players of the game have the technical expertise to be able to decipher the code behind such "provable fairness", just as a regular, non-technical person in Las Vegas should be expected to know how the machines work. The ODDS in Blackjack may be adjusted by the house, but the GAME ITSELF should provide natural outcomes, just like when I play Blackjack with a friend in my home. There should be a NATURAL mathematical outcome of the cards which come out. I do NOT see that in YOUR game, but DO see that in the other casino, where (by the way) I have already won most of the equivalent value of Steem (in Bitcoin) back within one day after stopping playing your game.
The bottom line is that you can "play dumb" all you want, but the smart people will pick up on that and the word will spread. I have already voted with my feet, which is seemingly the ONLY option one has in the situation. I hope that OTHER players may see this into the future as reinforcement that they are not alone if it happens to them.
That is all I have to say on the issue at this point. There is no point is wasting more time on this. Good luck.