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RE: Tribesteemup Curation Trail Ran As An Orwellian Government- Kennys Kitchen.

in #tribesteemup6 years ago (edited)

Where to start?

First, you neglected to mention that I emailed you almost a week ago outlining my issues with your posting habits and content, which you never replied to. I did this after discussing my issues with a few other people, going back through TONS of your content, and seeing that their is a clear pattern.

I wasn't planning on doing any of this in public, I wanted to have a private conversation with you before taking any action, but you ignored me, and decided to attack me publicly when I did take action. Here is a breakdown of the points I emailed you about, hoping you would address in some way:

  1. You simply re-post your YT videos, create no STEEM-exclusive or STEEM-centric content, and don't interact with anyone one the platform.
  2. You clearly have no interest in open & honest conversation, as evidenced by this post, your lack of a reply to my email, or the fact that your response video, which was a point by point breakdown of the lies you had offered as scientific fact was to say "You're entitled to your opinion" and down-vote my post at 100%.
  3. Your posts are all advertising services that can only be described as shady, if not downright fraudulent, like charging $200 for "chakra removal."


Now then, on to this post itself. I'm simply going to quote you from above, and respond to the things that you said:

So a few years back I was included into this trail as my content was deemed worthy enough. I also really bought into the idea as I thought it was a wonderful way of supporting content creators that stand for freedom of expression against the current Orwellian system we exist in.

I'm with you so far. When TSU first started to get some big delegated SP, I scanned the blockchain for anyone putting out content about sovereignty, health, personal responsibility, etc., that looked like pretty good quality. You were one of them.

I joined the trail and for 2 years have been contributing part of my crypto to EVERY single post that Tribesteemup members contribute. Give and take I thought, what a lovely symbiosis.

It seems like you might misunderstand how voting works. You're not giving anyone part of your crypto; you're actually earning more crypto by voting for people's content.

Now, I know this might sound bitter and maybe it is a little, but let me assure you I am really not going to miss the $5 a post I made from my content. I post a couple of times a week so its hardly paying the bills!

I'm glad you won't miss the $5. I certainly didn't remove you because I wanted to take food off your table or something.

What I am upset with ,however, is that this community, and in particular Kennys Kitchen (who runs the curation) paints itself as this freedom loving anarchist type group when it is run like a tyrannical government!

Everyone in TSU is totally free to do/say whatever they want, no force or coercion is used against anyone. The curation that you're referring to is me spending thousands of hours over the last 3 years, getting as much money to great content creators as possible. When this whole thing started, it was literally just me creating a voting circle for my friends and I. As it grew, I wanted to share that abundance with other people posting about the same principles & values, so I built it into what it is now, with support from dozens of people. As time went on, we had to start coming up with standards of quality, community interaction, etc.

Please show me a tyrannical government whose sole purpose is to reward and promote the work that people are doing, without requiring them to do/give anything in return.

Long story short I made the HUGE mistake, at least in Kenny Kitchens eyes, of changing from a vegan diet as I got sick and started to lose my memory. It is a long story but you can see the video below if you want to go into the whys and what for's.

You being removed didn't have anything to do with changing your diet, and I wouldn't have even replied to your video if you had simply told your personal story, instead of filling it with statements of fact that were verifiably false. I never once said you did anything wrong by changing your diet, never once told you what you should do, never questioned whether what you were doing was right/wrong for you. I simply provided evidence to counter the lies you included in the video, like saying that plants are "indigestible and quite dangerous."

This is a guy I had heard nothing from in 2 years UNTIL I went against the vegan religion and his own beliefs. He even went as far as to make the following response video which is full of misquotations and couldn't even be bothered to set it up as a proper review video. He also shows no compassion for the fact I was suffering on this diet, a typical anti human militant vegan response.

Show me a single misquotation from your video? I spent a couple hours breaking down your video and trying to find evidence to back your claims. The fact that I do this all on a cell phone and a 10 year old laptop (meaning that video editing isn't really an option) has nothing to do with the content of either of our videos.

He then sends me an email that suddenly ALL my content is now questionable and that I shouldn't be doing this or that.

I'm glad you mention the email; I was a little worried that maybe it didn't even make it to you, as you didn't reply at all.

It's not that your content is suddenly anything, it's that I haven't looked at your content in well over a year, maybe more. When I did go back through the last 4-5 months of content, I found the issues I listed above, and in the email.

I shouldn't link in my website into posts where all my other work is (even though others do).

Clearly not what I said, and you know that. You're either intentionally misrepresenting me, or you're having an emotional response to this experience and lashing out before having time to cool down and reflect. I only mention the links in that you are promoting fraudulent "services."

I shouldn't be re uploading content (even though he reuploaded the above video from YouTube to DTube!)

  1. My issue is that you make ZERO content for steem, and ONLY use it to repost your Youtube content.
  2. I reuploaded this video to Youtube, not the other way around, as is visible from timestamps. I don't ever post content to YT first if I post to YT at all, simply for the contract/IP reason, and more than 90% of my content is STEEM-exclusive.

ALL because I changed my diet and he doesn't agree with some of my content.

No, because of the multiple reasons listed above, most notably your unwillingness to have a conversation, instead resorting to down-votes and attack posts like this.

Steemit, and this group in particular typifies what it REALLY is. You are ok as long as you post and agree with everyone else to get that precious upvote! It doesn't promote free speech at all, its just an echo chamber of people sucking up to each other begging to be upvoted.

Everyone has the right to vote (or not vote) for whatever they want. That's freedom. There's also TONS of content created by TSU members that I don't personally agree with (like your anti-vegan video), and most of the content on the platform as a whole I don't agree with or enjoy, but I don't downvote it, I just ignore it. That's also freedom.

It is ANTI FREEDOM and so is Kenny himself. Behaving like a dictator whilst putting out the persona that he is freedom loving.

Do you know what the word dictator means? Do you know what the word freedom means? There's a big difference between choosing not to support someone who is clearly not interesting in honest conversation and using force and coercion against people. You received hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars from TSU, without being asked/told to do/say a single thing. You were left completely free to do whatever you want (just as you are now). The only difference is that I am no longer going to support you, because your response to criticism/intellectual questioning is to down-vote and make attack posts like this, instead of engaging in conversation.

Everyone bootlicking him because they want to stay in the Tribe. Full of fakeness. So people in Tribesteemup if you want to stay in the club DON"T tell Kenny you eat meat and if you do keep it to yourself! Don't change your diet and only post things that he agrees with!

Again, this is just you lashing out. Lots of people in TSU eat meat or say/believe/do things that I don't agree with, and that's totally fine with me, because we each have the freedom to do what we want, as long as we're not harming others.

If anybody in TSU does feel like you have to be fake to get the votes, please don't, and please let me know that's your experience. Even if you post something I absolutely hate, the most you're going to get is a response post/video, looking to have a discussion.

You'll remember Tony, that I didn't downvote (or even cancel the vote) on your anti-vegan video. I was excited to have a potential debate/discussion about these topics, excited to potentially be corrected on something or learn something new. The only reason I started to even dig back through your content is because your response was to flag my post and to leave a single disregarding comment.

As I say financially this means nothing to me,

I'm glad to hear that this won't affect you financially. That alleviates the only bit of concern/guilt that I do always feel when someone has to come off the voter for any reason. Even though I know that this is free money I'm giving to people, and it could all disappear at any time (for the whole tribe as well as any individual, who knows what will happen with STEEM), it still wracks me personally to remove someone who's become used to the up-votes.

I just call bullshit where I see it, and throwing out people because they don't eat the same food as you is against everything that you and people in the freedom loving community SAY they stand for.

This is obviously not the case. You're taking this whole thing personally, projecting a whole bunch of stories onto me, and playing out some sort of victim story, trying to bring all of us into it with you. This had nothing to do with diet, and everything to do with honesty as a content creator, willingness to actually discuss the things we promote, and the fact that you don't actually use interact with the STEEM community at large or TSU specifically.

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But everyone is not 'free' are they Kenny? You cant even eat a steak if you need one! Stop making out you're a freedom lover. If I hadn't changed my diet we wouldn't be having this debate, that is the fundamental truth of the matter.

You also dont feel guilt because Im no longer part of the vegan cult lets have some honesty instead of politically correctly positioning yourself as the guy who 'cares'.

But everyone is not 'free' are they Kenny?

Everyone is exactly as free as they choose to be. Freedom is taking responsibility for one's actions and experiences. At least that is the way that I understand freedom, and what I mean when I use the word (as I've explained many times in my content on STEEM)

You cant even eat a steak if you need one!

I can eat literally whatever I want, but there are tons of things that I choose not to because my body doesn't respond well to them, or they are downright poison (a la Monsanto products and such.)

It's kind of funny that you think all of this has to do with "militant veganism" or the "vegan cult"... What you don't know because you haven't read my content about my diet is that I'm not an "ethical vegan," I came to eat a whole food plant-based diet purely for health reasons, and purely because of the signals my body was giving me. I started cutting out processed foods and going organic, meat became once a week or so because it was so much more expensive eating organic/pasture-raised/chemical free, and as soon as it stopped being a part of my daily diet, I started feeling sick whenever I ate it. Dairy & eggs were never really a part of my diet because I just found them gross (again my body giving clear signals), so the change to plants was quite easy.

I never saw any vegan youtubers or documentaries (until years later), I never read any vegan books or blogs. I made my decisions purely based on my own body, its needs, and my personal experience. I've also never told anyone that they need to/have to go vegan, I've never shamed or even challenged anyone for not being vegan. The entire extent of my vegan activism consists of taking care of my body (being an example), cooking delicious vegan food (sharing my passion), and pointing out incorrect beliefs/assumptions about nutrition (using science and evidence).

You also dont feel guilt because Im no longer part of the vegan cult

I never said a single thing, in my video response or my response to this post, about your dietary choices. Period. When I mentioned feeling guilty above, I said "That alleviates the only bit of concern/guilt that I do always feel when someone has to come off the voter for any reason."

If I hadn't changed my diet we wouldn't be having this debate, that is the fundamental truth of the matter.

This is only true in the sense that you wouldn't have posted your mistruth-filled video if you hadn't changed your diet. If you had stuck to sharing only your personal experience I wouldn't have even responded to your video. If you had provided any evidence/sources for the many claims you made, I may or may not have made a response at all. If you had reply to my response with anything besides a down-vote and a disregarding comment, I probably would not have looked back through your STEEM history. Finally, if you had at any point over the last 6 months been interacting with the STEEM blockchain as more than a place to re-post YT videos, my issue would have been purely around your lack of willingness to have a conversation, and I certainly wouldn't have removed you from the auto-voter for that.

In YOUR opinion it was a 'mistruth' there you go again forcing opinions onto people and onto someone who LIVED the diet for 4 years!

Its such bs you sound like a politician skirting diplomatically around different so called issues with my account, even as you point out that if I hadn't of come out of the 'vegan closet' wouldn't have even been 'checked' like a schoolteacher!

I contributed for 2 years to your curation, maybe not in a huge way but I still valued it and felt really happy supporting something in line with my beliefs, as always in this reality you get let down and the whole thing is just based around more control and stamps down on anyone not spouting the official lines!

This is really is a terrible thing to do to a member who's only fault was they got sick and changed their diet. All the other stuff you mention is irrelevant because it wasn't an issue before this event.

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Kenny, it's your tribe, you do what you want. You have shown integrity. You have harmed no creature in running your tribe. You have not eaten them, or taken their steem.

"The dogs may bark but the caravan will pass."

Typical Kenny bootlicker need to keep in the curation trail some how dont we?

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If you don't like what someone has to say, why not just use the "mute" button?



@krnel - does this answer your question ?