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RE: What a shitstorm

in #blog3 years ago

I'll respond here. Of course Hive is about money, but the community (mainly those who invested time/money in it) get to decide what posts should earn. People will try to work around that with multiple accounts and self-votes, but they are often found out. Hive will not succeed unless it can also become a place where people go to find good content as most will not make much from it.

As for tagging hundreds of people, that can be seen as abuse of the platform, but it depends on your motivations. Nobody has complained about me doing it on the Brit List posts as I assume they find it useful. You have to be careful about editing the post as that re-triggers the notifications.

We've seen plenty of ranty posts complaining about getting downvoted. In many cases I see it as justified and the rant will get them nowhere. There are no official rules here, but people will decide for themselves what is crap. Most are scared to downvote anyway. The content will still be there, so it's not strictly censorship. It's more about the rewards. There are cliques who support each other and that is an issue. Maybe the new curation algorithm will encourage more real curation that is about quality, but we shall see.

I do have more than one account for specific purposes and I do not self-vote with them.

Anyway, this person got plenty of attention with @stickupboys using lots of their GIFs. Lots of comments, but no rewards.

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That's the classic: Like you said. It's OK if you tagged 8000 accounts but not OK when you're [supposedly] trying to present your case to the community at large. I think the point here is, 2% of the Hive community hold far more power as in actual power than the remaining 98%. If that 2% doesn't like someone or what they're doing, they have the power to hound them off the platform basically, which brings us nicely back to 'accountability.' and “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” ("Who will guard the guards themselves?") it seems to me it's very easy to get, for want of a better word, blacklisted and yet insanely difficult to either clear one's name or gain as public an apology as the very public blacklisting an individual received.

Yes, a minority do have a lot of control, but if they make the platform unappealing then their stake loses value. There has to be some balance between controlling abuse and not driving people away. I keep saying we need more people with a decent stake to dilute the power of the whales.

Actually the 'middle classes' have a lot of power. Some people have invested a lot of 'real' money to get that power because they believe in Hive. Many are running at a loss for now. It's a proof of stake platform like it or not.

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I wonder what ".....Believe in Hive" means to the majority of the community? Does it mean "I can earn loads from this lark for very little input!" or does it mean "I can meet new friends and build relationships with this."?

Cynical Pete believes the vast majority are only in it for what they can make. I'd be willing to bet you my paltry account value that if Hive announced it was doing away with crypto-based rewards the membership would drop to lower than whale pooh and whale pooh drops pretty low my friend. 💩

Well duh! Of course a lot of people are here just for the money, just as many people use open source because it's gratis. There will be a range of opinions with these things. The time I have invested here might not be justifiable for what I make, especially in the early days, but I thought it was worth supporting as an alternative to ad-funded corporations. I get great engagement that is not just about money. I've made a lot of friends and when we meet up it's not to ask 'how much did you make this week?'.

As for whale poo:

The nutrients that they ingest and process through their body is later released as flocculent fecal plumes. This basically means that whale poop doesn't sink, but floats. The release of these fecal plumes brings nutrients to the upper layer of the ocean known as the photic zone.

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Rubbish, utter rubbish. Whale pooh sinks, and the earth is flat, you heretical falsehood spreader! You should be burnt at the stake for your blasphemy.

If ever I go to a Hive meet, I most defiantly will be saying, "How the buggery bollocks did you earn that much for........"

Next you'll be saying that wealth 'trickles down'!

Would be great to have you at a meetup. We had some in the Midlands before. I'm waiting for someone to set some up this year. Might be viable soon.

Of course, it trickles down. It costs money to send small boys up chimneys and down mine shafts, you know. We're not complete bastards. We let them loose on the dog's bowl once he's finished.

How much will my attendance fee be? And I want paying in fiat.


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Amazing to see so many active users.... I don't understand the politics and am not that bothered to get involved but nice to see Hive users in one place!

I've seen this user mentioned in the anti-abuse channels, but not looked into it too much. It's often the case that controversial posts about Hive generate the most comments. Tagging that many people is likely to antagonise some. There are some people who tag me a lot, but I tend to ignore them.

Lol yes being tagged for something nothing do do with us is very common for us on all social media....kind of get used to it so just look at it a way to meet new people. It does not offend me lol

Imagine what it's like if you are really famous (well I guess you are). The notifications would be unmanageable.

lol well someone else would be doing the social media....