My experience taking the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine (Pfizer) Day 1

in #covid193 years ago

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In the first 24 hours a very sore arm. Flu like symptoms (stuffy nose, heat flashes).

Why I decided to take it:

Who do I trust least was the approach combined with understanding the statistics. The virus emerged from China in the Wuhan area. While it is not proven or conclusive there is circumstantial evidence that it might be lab made. There are theories floating around which say it was an accident which leaked out from a lab in Wuhan. Foreign governments now say it was made by the US military labs. 40% of US marines do not want to take the vaccine.

Regardless of which lab the virus may have come from the vaccine was made in a transparent process by labs we can inspect. The trials were very public allowing people like me to collect risk statistics. It comes down to which group of scientists (which labs) do you trust the least. To me the least trustworthy lab would be the lab in China, in Wuhan, and I would not trust any classified US military lab either. This logically means Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson, are more trustworthy. Many of us already have received vaccines from these companies for the flu and many other things and this includes most children and all US soldiers.

Suppose that the vaccine has some long term side effect and I die? I concluded I would rather die fighting to save lives on the side of science than from COVID-19 if COVID-19 was a bioweapon. The only way to defeat COVID-19 once and for all is through herd immunity and the only way to achieve that is if over 80% of us get vaccinated. There will be better vaccines in the future but in order to save our own lives we have to be willing to risk our own lives.

When making difficult decisions from which there are really no good options the approach which can be taken in this scenario is to choose the least bad option. The level of risk to reward is never usually equal across all options. The least bad option for one person can be different for another. For people who like to travel and who do not want to live in the fear of dying from a cold the least bad option for them (lowest risk highest potential reward) could be to take the vaccine. This may also include people on the medical front lines, or people in jobs where they are around a lot of people, or people who like being around people. There are some other people who do not care to be around a lot of people, who interact with very few people, and these people might have a different conclusion. The key to making these types of decisions is to know what you value and what your priorities are.

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I was vaccinated with 1st doze of AstraZeneca and have flu symptoms for 1 day and after that everything ok. Now is 21st day after vaccination and I have 70% protection they say. 2nd vaccination will be in the end of May.

Good luck, the chance you die from it is less than 0,001%, but it is not 0.

Die Melderate betrug für die drei Impfstoffe zusammen 2,2
pro 1.000 Impfdosen, für Meldungen über schwerwiegende Reaktionen
0,2 pro 1.000 Impfdosen gesamt.

Die Wahrscheinlichkeit für schwere Impfkomplikation liegt offenbar laut Paul Ehrlich Institut höher (Stand 2. April 2021)

Sprich bei 0.2 Prozent für alle drei Impfstoffe - vorausgesetzt es werden alle schweren Fälle auch gemeldet, was nicht sicher ist.

Die Impfungen der jüngeren Altersgruppen U40 sehe ich vor diesem Hintergrund als problematisch und sollte sachlich diskutiert werden - und zwar vorbehaltsfrei und öffentlich.

Nothing is 100% in this world.

But it´s a lie that getting the jab "saves lives". It is not proven that the vaccine prevents infections, nor is it proven it works longer than a few months or is effective against some new variants (quite the opposite!)
So in face of all this, why take the risks of this experimental gene therapy (Phase 3 studies are not even completed, let alone long term safety follow up trials).

From what I read doesn't getting the vaccine reduce my ability to transmit the virus to others? From what I read Pfizer lasts minimum 6 months and is effective against the new variants. I do understand new variants can emerge at any time rendering the vaccine less effective but some immunity beats no immunity.

but some immunity beats no immunity

It is not that easy. I think that vaccine-induced immunity can´t be as effective as a naturally acquired immunity, based on all compartments of the immune system. The best is to have a strong immune system and undergo the Coronavirus infection. For this of course a healthy lifestyle and an active social life is needed, contrary to the lockdowns and wearing masks (which weakens the immune system). And it could well be that for future variants, the vaccinated patients are more susceptible. I call them patients, as the Phase 3 studies are not over and safety surveillance studies have not been done - or rather are currently done during the mass vaccinations, without letting the participants know :)

The best way to get a good immunity is to have a nasal vaccination - inducing the cellular immunity.

Vaccines so far are as effective as naturally acquired immunity. The body doesn't seen to care where the message came from. But even if somehow the body could distinguish some difference the fact is many of us wouldn't survive the natural process.

This is true for the classical vaccines, but not necessarily for artificially introduced mRNAs. Did you know that up to 40% of the mRNA molecules are truncated (not full length) and therefore may be transcribed to shortened proteins with possibly other conformation and thus other epitopes?

It's not really gene therapy. It's M RNA. It's messenger only. It's like read only.

First of all, some of the vaccines are with DNA, not mRNA, and then there are enzymes like reverse transcriptase. Can you 100% rule out that by chance you are not e.g. infected by another virus (e.g. Hep B) that has loaded a copy of reverse transcriptase in your cells?
I know, it is a theoretical risk only, but not zero.

I think you are really stretching here. The risk would be lower than a plane crash. Do you worry your plane will be the one which crashes every time you fly? What about your car getting into a crash like John Nash? Anything can happen but we do have odds.

Agree that the individual odds is very low, but the governments worldwide unite in an unique campaign to mass vaccinate several hundred of million healthy people with little risk of getting harmed by this influenca-like virus. This adds up the risk.
And the long-term risks (cancer, autoimmune diseases) are even less known and will be hard to link to the vaccines. Never have such drugs being licensed, so nobody knows for sure.

And the odds of what you say happening is a lot lower than the odds of you catching a COVID-19 variant and dying from it.

I am not afraid of the virus. In our country is the average age of people dying with COVID-19 more than 80. In fact it is a disease of the Elderly and weak predominantly. Cases of younger people dying are overhyped. Also from influenza people of younger age were dying or had long-lasting symptomes without anybody ever had cared. Other death causes are MUCH more relevant like cardiovascular ones or massive obesity. Completely ignored! Insane.

Which variant? Some kill people younger more efficiently.

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