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RE: A post about excessive self-voting/vote-trading

in #curationlast year (edited)

Good post but you are missing what it matters... Don't know if because you don't know or because you don't want to mess with some ;) let's say I believe you don't know.
Instead of screenshot post rewards with 2 hive, try to find those with 80 hive and more and +70% coming from autovotes.
You want an example? Just one example, there are more and more accounts.
Autoves, as you know can have different aspects. Alt accounts and people with posting key to many accounts are also aspects.
You my pretend to ignore if you want but they exist ;)
For me this not about rewards, rewards are part in Hive and available to all, to profit. It is about greediness.
A simple example:

https://peakd.com/hive-165757/@aquientredos/vhtavkkb

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You really seem to have a problem with them...

I don't see what's wrong with their content, I don't see any vote trading activity and I don't see any neglect in engagement received or given, in fact some of their comments have more effort put behind them than many trending posts.

It's starting to not be a good look the way you seem to always focus around their activity.

eheheheh honestly didn't expect other reply than that.
Like you, I also don't see anything wrong with the content or vote trading. Also I don't have any kind of problem with anyone in this chain, like I don't have any "eye problem" and in the post in example, I can see from the top 11 upvotes 7 are from the same user that it happen is the post creator, that happen that it makes from the total of $86 rewards, $61 are autovotes, do you really think I have a problem with them???
Can you also explain this 👇
"....you seem to always focus around their activity"
What do you mean by always focus?? What do you know that I don't know??

Most of your comments lately have been surrounding eddie's activity no matter what I post about, they don't even seem to be posting that often even looking at all their accounts in total and knowing he's full time Hive and does a lot in and around the chain I don't see why you'd focus so much on them when there's plenty of other accounts who just shitpost and do barely anything else getting similar rewards.

Forget eddie... believe me, I don't care if it's eddie, jimmy or mary.
Let me repeat, from top 11 upvotes, 7 are from the post creator, from the total of $86 rewards, $61 are from the post creator.
Challenge you to find more like this and respond if you agree with this, no matter who are the user!

How do you know it's Eddie and not Dan upvoting? As I've said depending on the content and effort and what kind of community member it is, I don't think that self-votes make it any less fair than if he'd receive votes from others. It's about value for value. Some would easily be able to do vote-trading which is what my post is about just to get your suspicions out of the way but effectively be doing the same thing, the bad part about them is that they don't do anything else on/for Hive other than generating those posts and getting them a lot of rewards all the while their content looks like it has no consumption, no views, etc.

I already understood your point.
Mine is
Posts with high rewards, most part of rewards coming from the creator.
Will I downvote those post? No.
It is nice? No.
Do I think it's less nice than someone autovoting a post with $2 rewards? Yes.
Do I think autovoting like this, from users with reputation, comparing with a newbie that plagiarize, is worth? Yes! Users with reputation might be example to others that might mimic them. No one mimic a newbie.

 last year (edited) 

To finish our talk let me tell you something. You know as I know, reward pool is the main thing in Hive, maybe just 1% of regular users will be on Hive if rewards didn't exist. Is also the main source of dramas. You already know my opinion, we need more OCDs and less autovoting, assumed or hooded, vote-trading, bid-bots, whatever.
We also need more things to explode but an healthy reward pool is one of the keys to success.

In my opinion the only problem here is your perception problem about my problems!

Let's contextualize this

  • You have the keys of OCD, how many times did you upvote with OCD in your content? As far as as know ZERO
  • You have the keys of poshtoken, how many times did you upvote with poshtoken in your content? As far as as know ZERO

Should I continue?

For me it's ok that you choose the side of your friends or the side of who delegate to your projects but please don't try to make me stupid, like I said my only problem is with greediness, not with people!

I get that but I still don't see it as abuse, I assume it's part of the pay that a big stakeholder has chosen to reward his helper with, like part being delegations and part being upvotes and I don't think there's anything wrong with that unless the latter starts getting abused excessively which in turn also means they don't deserve them cause they're not doing anything for it. Like comparing it to the person in screenshots for instance, just cause their rewards are low doesn't mean there aren't other bigger accounts also actively vote-trading and neglecting their other "duties" if you will such as engagement, interaction, etc. These accounts you keep pointing at often don't seem to be doing that and I don't think I know more about their activities around Hive than you do or that I'm picking sides cause I'm "friends" with them or anything. Just my opinion about the matter same as the way you're pointing out yours.

Just my opinion about the matter same as the way you're pointing out yours.

Well, at least we can agree, you have your opinion and I have mine. for me it's perfect!

For instance if I wanted someone to help me out with some ocd activities, I wouldn't be against giving them some delegation and maybe a few upvotes per week (of my own account), but I would deny those upvotes if they've shown they can't bother taking care of their posts properly.

You have the keys of OCD, how many times did you upvote with OCD in your content? As far as as know ZERO
You have the keys of poshtoken, how many times did you upvote with poshtoken in your content? As far as as know ZERO

This isn't really relatable cause I haven't felt the need to due to my autovotes and consistent posting over almost 7 years, if I some times feel my rewards were a bit on the low side I would throw a vote with my own account towards myself, or if they're too high I'd throw a downvote depending on the effort of my content and the engagement it produced, etc. I've also downvoted Eddie a few times and he's been understanding that the rewards were a bit too high.