I can't agree with these types of opinions and this is why Hive is failing.
IMO, there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. They have built their own network because of the game they created and the players are willing to vote for those posts. Those people would certainly have voted on other things anyway. Also, most people use liquid rewards to purchase other tokens or cash out. Nothing wrong with that.
This post of little over 1000 words has currently $39 worth of votes, which takes them about 10 posts to get. Is it worth that much? For me it certainly isn't but your network and HP make you get a lot of upvotes and also give you a big protection against DVs.
This is why the DV function is fundamentally flawed. Any amount of investment has proportional value in terms of upvoting. However, only a big HP gives you protection against DVs because you can retaliate, compared to a small HP which can't retaliate in any meaningful way nor gather support from others. If people find value in the posts, let them vote and keep the earnings. DVs should be reserved for plagiarism, illegal content, scams, etc.
Even without DVs, big HP accounts already naturally support each other, because it is mutually beneficial. The small accounts are left collecting breadcrumbs, unless they are friends with some big accounts. With DVs, any small account can become the target at any point. Ultimately this will be the downfall of Hive when everyone else gives up on this rigged system.
The difference is that he's not saying "hey upvote this post and I'll buy and burn zings with it"
Yes but he might do it anyway and he's free to do so. I don't see any problem with it.
Then what was the point of bringing it up, just another time waste like most of you trying to defend this shit?
The point is that you are free to use your liquid (and even non liquid) rewards to buy whatever you want, just as the rising star account is. What's the point of earning Hive if we're only allowed to accumulate it?
It's like getting a job you are paid and then do what you want with the money but you made a job.
In this case there is no work done it's just copy paste with no "post quality"
I'm not sure I understood you 100% but you're saying because the account copy pastes the post it shouldn't get rewards? There are 2 issues with that, first is that the posts were not 100% copy pasted and there was also some work done regarding the calculations. The second is that regardless of quality of posts, there are people who want to vote for those posts and they do so with their own stake. Just like every post that is voted. 99% of the high paid posts $20+ are overpaid IMO. Very often there is no difference between the amount of work done on them and someone new, except for the network and, especially if it's a whale, hoping to get votes back.
Those votes are only countered by using downvotes but that is effectively a way to negate stakes that aren't big enough. In every stake system the higher the stake the higher the power. But the DVs create an even bigger gap where big enough stakes can neutralize smaller stakes completely. If someone were to get 50%+1 of all Hive they could, in theory, neutralize all other upvotes and never be fully neutralized themselves. Obviously that would be extremely difficult, in practice, and destroy Hive's value very quickly. Furthermore, these rules that are trying to be enforced by DVs are decided by those in power and they don't have to answer to anyone else, unless they really piss off other powerful users. If someone has a vendetta against someone else, they can destroy them. It's what happened to me and others by azircon. The rules are up to those in power and they aren't applied equally.
If we can use our votes to support hive-engine / nfts burn then we should be able to use our power to "unsupport" it too
You think retaliating is something others don't judge you for?
Or only voting on similar sized accounts and that everyone just votes as to what's in their own self interest?
Dunno about you but I spend a lot of voting power, potentially up to 9m HP's worth daily voting on any sized account and I know many others that do the same.
It doesn't matter that you do that or not. It matters that with high enough HP anyone can do it. They don't have to vote only in those that can also give big upvotes back but it's very easy to make connections when you're able to leave $5+ votes on posts.
And retaliation is only possible with a big HP, that's what azircon did to me and several others because we didn't agree with him on discord. And when I gave DVs back I got DVed for life. He gets $20+ in all his posts, and I've yet to see one that deserved those rewards. He gets a few DVs from people he nuked but it doesn't affect the payout in a meaningful way. If he had 1k HP there's no way he would get these votes.
If they have a lot of HP it's in their own interest for that HP to gain value, else they could just buy bitcoin or something else. Why would someone with a lot of stake purposely misuse curation or downvote random accounts for no reason if they want the ecosystem to grow in value. Even so, if that ever is the case, others can combat it. I guess you're thinking of azircon again because you are affected, but he's not wrong that close to no one was consuming your content. Go work on that and if there's legitimate attention flowing your way I'll personally attempt to counter his downvotes, if not, you, similar to many others, probably didn't deserve the rewards to begin with.
A lot of users are cuddled with a lot of rewards because "inflation must go somewhere", yet if they attempted the same thing anywhere else they would just be wasting their time talking into the void. Here you think that even talking into the void should entitle you to some rewards.
Miss me in my next posts, please.
There are many examples of whales misusing HP and driving users away with DVs. I received the DVs after discussions on discord (where I was never rude) not because of anything else. There was no one to combat it. Many people were consuming my content and just 1 was able to negate everything. It's funny that you say I didn't deserve my $1 rewards per post (which only half goes to me) and I've seen many whales get 40x or more from posts that take much less effort.
The truth is that quality is irrelevant on Hive. All that matters is your HP and connections. I find it funny that you say "A lot of users are cuddled with a lot of rewards" but these rewards are very low.
And what have I done for you to want me to miss your posts?
Rewards seem low because the price is close to 0, at all time high your $10 ($5) posts would've gotten you 120 ($60) respectively.
You've received more genuine replies complaining about downvotes than you did on many posts for many months, what does that tell you?
You also instantly stopped posting after receiving a few downvotes, what does that tell us?
The "high" paying posts are the Splinterlands contests. And we're never going back to all time highs.
What does it matter getting comments? Hive is not Reddit. People vote but rarely comment. That's just how it works. If you were to remove posts that have no comments from non bot accounts, you'd be left with less than 1% of the posts.
Of course I stopped posting. I saw that I was DVed for life, why would I work hard on my posts for no rewards? Even with the low rewards I was getting I was making less than minimum wage in most third world countries on most of my posts. But I was sharing with other people, it was something. But when a powerful user poops even on those low rewards, why should I keep posting?
A lot to digest here, wow.
You don't think we're going back to ATH but you're here nibbling for scraps.
Consumption of posts does not matter? What the fuck is the point of curation whatsoever then, may as well just not have posts and sit on discord talking shit waiting for staking rewards to come in.
For life does not equal 3 days, azircon has downvoted others before and stopped.
You do you but don't go around talking shit about curation or hive when there's literal hundreds of accounts doing good on a daily basis and tens of new ones being discovered daily that get more engagement than you ever will as newcomers.