I'm going to try and keep this a bit on the short side as I spent way too much time typing on my phone last night about these "issues" that may be hard to get across at times. It'd probably take a very, very long post to write out more concrete guidelines as to when it is okay to use voting power for things and when it maybe isn't okay, even then not everyone is going to agree, whether small or big stakeholder, luckily we have the wisdom of the crowd here at play over time if something can drive the attention of many.
Okay, so the dilemma was about accounts in the form of this one receiving downvotes:
This is their introduction post.
Let me now explain from my perspective why this isn't a good use of voting power, keep in mind I have nothing against people of any size being innovative and coming up with new ways to use voting power or crowdfunding or ways to integrate irl stuff with the hive reward pool as long as it is something that benefits all of hive because the hive rewards pool is being used. See for instance initiatives like @hbdspend by @starkerz that use a portion of author rewards to provide discounts to shoppers for merchants who accept hbd which helps all of Hive.
I'll quote the post with some images and reply under them.
First of all, sorry to hear the game's economy isn't doing so well. I'm not surprised because most economies on Hive aren't doing well, not even splinterlands tokens are doing great AFAIK and that's our flagship game that hopefully still has great funding.
Okay, so about point 1, in future posts you can see that the only "unique thing" about these posts is the daily progress report, in the next post you can see that this mere sentence and "pending funds report" is unique from the previous post because the rest is just a repetition of what the program does:
Second post goes a bit more in depth about strategy, but one can see that upon daily posting, a short paragraph and a proof of burn will be the only unique thing in these posts, and then from another 3-4 accounts, there's not going to be too much uniqueness to them over time.
I'm only saying this because some people yesterday were arguing that these are "handwritten" posts all unique and shouldn't get downvoted.
About #2, using hbd to buy game tokens from the market. This is where the big issue comes, they're business model/donation run/whatever you wanna call it, depends on getting author rewards; hbd (hive), to sell those for game tokens. Basically taking value from Hive and placing it on the game token.
It becomes about intention. If an account who posted regurarly decided to send @rs-burn-engine their hbd or beneficiary rewards, no one would care because they're forfeiting their rewards to help the cause of this project. This project however, from the get go made it clear they'll use rewards generated for this and unlike regular accounts, is from the very first post getting consistent rewards from roughly the same voters:
This means that a lot of curators know about the intention and are spending their voting mana to devalue hive in an effort to increase the value of the game token.
Now I'm not going to go into the strategy of this account, how or why increasing the value of the game token or making their nfts more scarce is going to help the game, their players or bring new players in, as I don't really know much about the game. It is clear however that it is relying on voting mana to extract value from hive in favor of the game token.
If it asked people for delegations and used the curation rewards it earned to do this, no one would care as long as their curation is "normal", in the sense that it is voting for regular unique players' posts. If they asked for hive/hbd donations, it'd be the same.
The issue is that asking for an upvote does not cost the upvoter the same as asking for a delegation or donation. They're using curation as a fundraiser. This affects all stakeholders because it's coming from future inflation. Furthermore it also affects players because now there's 3-4$ per day in curation not going to their posts but to this instead as they're diverting voting power from regular curation towards the funding of these posts.
Why should all hive stakeholders foot the bill to assist a game economy when not all hive stakeholders are invested in it?
This is another red flag because only one person owns the keys to this account, so they could at any point just go afk and keep the HP part of the rewards after having mis-used curation all this time and outgrown regular users by only voting for each other.
My suggestions.
Ask for delegation support or integrate it in your economy somehow, don't misuse the delegation but curate people based on post quality, user quality, social activity, attention drive, etc. We all have to respect curation if we want it to work.
Ask for beneficiaries from players in your game who may be actively posting about other things, a 5% or 10% here and there doesn't feel too bad and can help the project out but it has to be the choice of the author and not the curator. I.e. the curator shouldn't vote with self-interest in mind (I'm going to vote this post because it's giving the game 10% beneficiary, but I'm going to ignore this one because it isn't - regardless of the content or which one got more attention).
It's very easy to use your voting power on whatever, but when it comes to actually donate or invest in projects it's not as easy to magically generate 2-4$ a day. While these initiatives may not seem dangerous at first, i.e. the people voting these posts maybe aren't even invested in the game and just wanna help out, it can quickly get abused where people make it the main goal to parasitically extract value from hive's rewards pool in an effort to send that value to a token that a lot less users benefit from.
Lastly, I realize this isn't a "big" issue, not a lot of rewards were being generated, etc, but we gotta put our foot down when curation gets misused or else these projects and the voting power spent on them will grow out of control fast. It's important for people to understand why certain things go against the general hive ecosystem. Even if curation can be very flexible, that flexibility needs to make sure it is something that mainly benefits hive itself and not sub ecosystems within it.
One of the problems is that it seems like people are seeing HIVE as a free pool to serve themselves, without thinking about the consequences. It's not free money, and as you say, even small amounts affect the overall situation over time.
That said, I always applaud the idea to find ways to sustain a community, especially if it's beloved and has an active community and therefor adds value to HIVE, not extracts it. But the suggested way is an abuse of the voting mechanism for me. It seems like an easy way out, just like those auto-vote-farmers.
Why not make a daily newsletter about the game and use those rewards for the same reason? The idea itself is not bad, but the execution is. It does not feel good that way.
Splinterlands has a totally different approach, which is benefiting both the game and HIVE - Challenges and Contests. Build a strong community HIVE account, have some manual curators, and encourage people to write great articles about the game to spread in social media. Reward? A nice up-vote from the SPL Account and some adjacent. Benefit for HIVE - more exposure on other media channels. Benefit for the SPL account - more exposure and rewards to grow and support more users.
That's what brings a flywheel in, for both the game and HIVE.
Now, another idea would be what was suggested to you by stickupcurator in the comments about posh, the game could make a proposal to fund them to overcome a certain amount of time, restructure and proof that their game is really worth it. If they can make a good case, they can get funding. I think HIVE in general is a generous community, and if they can make us understand the value of their project, it will be well received.
The thing about the freedom here is also the responsibility. The attitude to have the rest of the community suck up the shortcomings of some is not that, that's like rescuing banks. So, to answer your question: Yes, they should be allowed to fail, if they don't come up with a sustainable solution that does not subtract from the rest.
I think the question your post doesn't ask, but implies is:
And I think that is a question a lot of people are afraid to answer.
That is the exact question we all need to ask. I think too many initiatives have business models that rely on the reward pool for their only means of making profit.
BTW, I swear I'm not stalking you. I listened to this article in a text to speech app and this comment struck me before I knew who wrote it.
I am fine to be stalked :)
Good to know... 😈
Exactly what I was thinking as I read this. Surely you need to go back to the business model, figure out why it's failing and if something can be changed to remedy that.
The same can be said for many, many meatspace businesses, too.
Exactly. In the meat space it's a given, so I don't see why the same shouldn't be reflected here.
I am not afraid to answer! :)
If a game or project is not sustainable on its own it MUST fail. I personally will drive the wooden stake through that heart if others are not willing! 😂
Are you sure you don't have any "Helsing" in your family background?
The truth is something that can hurt people. Best to not proxy the suffering. We put pets "to sleep" for a reason. Dignity. It isn't considered inhumane to do that, so I agree with you - end the suffering, and move onto the next.
Endings are just new beginnings. Opportunities to learn.
Failed businesses are failed!
There is no government.
So there is no handout or bailout.
The end.
Almost all hive projects are running on life assistance. If hive project were humans, they would be deep down in the hospital
It should be, unless it really brings visibility outside to hive and good onboarding so it has value for hive as a whole
This could have been done better. It was just poorly executed.
They should have made an effort to at least make the content being pushed out valuable.
Now to comment on something else, I don't think dumping hive for HE tokens devalues hive unless those that get their hands on the traded hive tokens proceed to sell them externally because all is internal up until that point.
Good point, I wasn't sure about that part when I was writing it.
Point is they didn't even "grind" their way into curation for as you say providing content, social interactions and all other things we deem valuable when curating posts/authors. They also went ahead and replicated the same system on different accounts to increase inflation going towards this scheme.
Some people just think inflation comes from the trees and it doesn't matter what it is used on.
I think even into the future, a lot of people will want to capitalize on Hive's content reward pool and most of what those funds will be used for may not directly benefit hive.
But the problem today is that people don't seem to understand that how these funds are acquired matters.
If it is acquired in the way it was originally designed or intended, which is valuable content gains votes from curators, independently, then no problem at all, otherwise, the community will push back.
Maybe not in the beginning, but at some point.
I'm not sure why people don't understand this.
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Ha i gotta love the part where 50% of the rewards (hp) is kept on the account, lol feels like half a scam, at a point the owner might call it a day and withdraw everything... Begging community for votes and keep the HP for yourself, how bad that is... Ask delegations instead
Yeah, as if the other 50% wasn't controversial enough.
Man, reading some of the comments and discussions on this post makes me glad I just pop in every once and awhile, yap a bit with people I like, occasionally post my own goofy content and then dip for a bit again, lol.
I guess on the plus side it's good to see that splinterlands is still around and there's still other attempts for more games to exist in this space, regardless of if the people running it aren't handling it perfectly.
It's just random players trying to misuse the rewards pool for the gain of the game's economy, they could just buy tokens themselves but want the hive ecosystem to foot the bill for some reason. Either way, sometimes I'm glad it's proof of stake here and not 1 account 1 vote as there'd be a lot of crazy going around.
Projects that needs support from the community should put out a DHF proposal and let the community vote. Using the reward pool is selfish.
DHF should be reworked
You can't just say it needs to be reworked, you add no value, you need to say what needs to be reworked...
Honestly ? I might be an idiot but for me DHF as no use. It just create projects that are using artificial respirator to survie.
What to change ? i dont know...
I see many projects that brings value for Hive being funded. I also see some that I don't think should be funded and are currently funded. Some people have different opinion then me. That's why we vote!
The beauty of decentralization! DHF might not be perfect, but it works.
If you don't like it, you should make your own proposal to change and let the community vote.
Maybe it should be user that "learn" how to vote so that these projects dont die the day DHF stop funding them
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Hold on...dont you sell hive/hbd from your zing posts? Isnt that removing value from hive to your game in the exact same way you mention in the article?
My posts about zing? People aren't voting them because I'm selling the hbd to buy zing, they're voting them beause of me as an author posting about it. As I said here, nobody cares what you do with the rewards as long as you're earning them fairly from having been active on hive in various ways:
I'm posting about this issue now for instance, whether or not I buy zing with the HBD is my business, I'm spending my earned rewards to invest in the token. I could spend it on splinterlands or rising sun for all anyone cares, I didn't earn them to specifically increase the value of zing.
These accounts are from day 1 getting a lot of curation with the sole purpose of the scheme they've set up, it's not costing them anything and it's not costing the curators anything because voting power has to be spent, they're choosing not to curate with it.
How is buying up rising sun tokens and burning nfts good for hive?
vs. sharing hive content of any front-end to drive traffic to our posts and giving the sharer and author hive rewards for it.
zing and rising sun tokens are a good comparison, hence I don't do the @rs-burn-engine scheme when it comes to zing, I do however fund POSH activities this way because I don't personally profit from it and it helps Hive overall. You keep ignoring this big difference to justify your agenda.
If many voiced concern or downvoted that POSH is useless, not bringing any traffic to hive, not improving SEO, etc, etc, then I'd just stop the activity. I wouldn't go on a tirade and tell people I'm being bullied and announce that I'm leaving cause it's quite literally not affecting me in any way if posh exists or doesn't. You must be the other guy.
I do it because I think it has value to Hive as a whole.
I don't start accounts with the intention to turn author rewards into a zing buying mechanism because it would support the project because curation isn't meant to be used that way. It would only benefit those holding/being involved in zing, not hive stakeholders as a whole.
I'm literally here discussing the issues with you and listening, I could simply ignore you but I don't.
You just want to have your way but keep ignoring the facts, I can't keep re-iterating the same thing over and over. Stop trying to come up with ways to abuse curation for the gain of one community/entity/token/person and there's no problem.
I understand the situation, members can help in other ways than to misuse curation, I offered suggestions, delegations, beneficiaries, buy and burn tokens with your own rewards, etc.
I'm pretty sure splinterlands users don't do this so why make an exception for rising star which I may have misspelled once due to the banner I decided to use displaying a version of japan's rising sun.
FC kept on buying votes, you clearly disagree about hsbi but you're now using FC to justify my actions here? Get a grip on yourself.
and if I misuse that power it would go away.
I'm not disregarding, I'm just disagreeing to the usage because it isn't similar to POSH whatsoever and I've given you plenty of better comparisons where such activity is not used even though those projects could also use those extra rewards generated from the author rewards pool but it would go against curation.
what's up with this vandalising posts/comments of stickupcurator and stickupboys?
Well addressed 👏
Well explained! Project support is good, but abuse of curation harms ordinary users. Delegation or donations are a good way to ensure the long-term interests of Hive.
a good filter is required to control quality and merits
It’s interesting but do you think this kind of dilemma could actually strengthen the community in the long run, or might it create deeper divisions?
It creates short term divisions, mainly those of greed vs using curation the way it is meant to be used, how the whitepaper states it, the reason downvote mana exists and why rewards have a 7 day window to be adjusted before payout - which then no one can take away from you once it crossed that window.
We've seen many of these schemes over time, they eventually fade but cause a lot of noise shortly, most people won't remember them after a month and curation goes on as usual. There are some who slip through the cracks and become harder to combat over time because it affects so many authors, but you know, nothing is perfect.
I just learned more here on what to and what not to do, thanks.
Indeed, protecting the Hive reward pool is critical to the entire ecosystem. For the points I've mentioned to be successful, it's essential to address each one individually. This requires everyone's cooperation and participation. I've always heard that the Hive project is promising, focusing on social media applications and play-to-earn games, such as Splinterlands, the game that gained immense popularity and was indirectly responsible for Hive's popularity. I hope it achieves the desired success in the future. Considering the beginnings of the Hive project, when the Hive token price was around $3 upon launch, its current decline is somewhat worrying, but we have great hope for a promising future with real and effective reforms.
I can barely understand these things in details, I only hope for the best. But what I picked up from this is that if everyone focused on quality content and fair curation, Hive would stay stronger and more sustainable for all users.
It’s just such small peanuts. They are getting a 4 or 5 dollars in rewards, to help a community. I dont play RS. But many like it and it has its niche to attract musicians. Every community helps at this point.
To me down voting a small community trying to survive is simply not looking at the bigger picture.
The principle drain on Hive comes from DHF funding with no expectation of reporting, kpi’s or any real attempt at sustainability. 1 tire on the rally car for one race would cover a month of this supposed reward pool abuse by these RS-burnegine posts.
Yet where is the rally car community, how many people are daily engaging in the rally car community.
We have such bigger fish to fry than a community trying to find ways to survive.
If RS eeks out an existence through these reward pool pennies… good, that has the potential to have people invest more, stick around longer, encourage a friend to come check it out.
We are wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars via DHF, some stuff is legit, but the culture of funding project with little to no expectation toward transparency, follow through reports, kpi’s or clear community payback/ value proposition… This is why hive price is so low!
Value Plan should help incubate a beloved community like RS rather than RS needing to try to innovate and find ways to survive like these meager post burn buy back thing.
In times like these every community matters. And if its a million dollars in funding to race a car with no community but a hive sticker that comes in last place nearly every race..
or let an actual community with many players participating for years… a community just trying to keep themselves alive. I choose RS using the reward pool for that every day of the week.
Likely they wouldn’t have to resort to such things if we didn’t throw DHF funds into a black hole.
I agree generally about the DHF and how VP is ran, one could also say like half of author rewards that get overrewarded rewards like this post for instance. You can also see though that those 4-5$ daily rewards easily turned 5x since they replicated the accounts, given enough time you get copy-cats and then you have projects like eds and hsbi straight up selling votes and it's too late to try and do anything.
It’s all so slippery. At the end of the day. We just need communities. And i think if we focused on the real drains to hive…. Then survival schemes like RS is attempting simply wouldn’t happen …and if they did, we would address them for taking the piss. Thats not what this is though, this is an attempt to survive, and hard times lead to choices like these.
But now more than ever we need community. We need people. So in my eyes we shouldn’t worry about this small stuff. We should focus on more oversight of DHF spending. We are all in essence stock holders. It is time to rally and behave more like board members who expect more from anything funded, its time to get smart and tighten the belt on spending.
I’m not saying dont spend. I’m saying expect more from anything funded and demand checks and balances.
This change in culture around DHF expectations and focusing more on flagrant unaccountable spending, which is actually the biggest drain on hive… this will benefit the entire ecosystem and we wont need to talk about RS pilfering pennies.
Tell me how I at this point in time should not just translate what you're saying in an effort to abuse curation when you time after time keep saying that we are abusing the rewards pool for our own self interest by voting on things that do NOT benefit us personally in any way but all of Hive itself.
With your logic everyone voting on @hbd.funder comments is also doing it out of self-interest?
You keep ignoring VOTE BUYING from freecompliments and saying they're "Doing good for hive" so we should allow it.
You keep ignoring that voting on automated non-content as long as it promises to buy random layer 2 token with half of the rewards because it's "good for hive" so we should allow it.
Sorry but you keep time and time again using the same obvious wrong accusations that anyone can provably show you are wrong to attempt to justify misuse of curation for small parts of the ecosystem that only benefit a small portion of hive stakeholders using the Hive reward pool, is starting to sound like you either have some issues in the understanding department or you're just a malicious actor attempting to get your will through at all cost of how curation should be misused at the benefit of a few. It's becoming weird to the point where I don't really know how I can explain it to you in a different way or a different language.
You keep insisting that just because people have bought/earned stake, they should use it however they like and ignore the fact that this ends up hurting authors who don't have stake because as has been proven by some of the projects mentioned above and some still ongoing, it ends up benefiting only those with stake and those perpatrating the scheme that's basically self-voting the delegators with all their stake back rather than looking at other things to curate to retent and grow the users in the ecosystem.
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I'm not taking it personally but I'm questioning your agenda at this point.
If projects need help, I know mine do and I keep spending countless hive at the bottom of the market trying to keep it alive while I know others are suffering as well, they need to come up with ways to legitimately get them. Not by abusing curation, the one thing that if kept fair and working makes this platform stand out from web2 and all other chains, if not, we may as well just be proof of stake with content just being there for no reason.
I offered an olive branch to rising star, they have an active community, they can set a default beneficiary on posts to support the project, we can provide some voting power to CURATE posts and they may earn some legitimate addtional rewards that way that the community decides if they want to give it to them or not. Posts should be curated whether they GIVE beneficiaries or not.
You're defending projects that go against this principle, projects that only upvote people who delegate to them, projects that only upvote people who give them beneficiaries, etc, while ignoring the content, the users and their social activity, etc.
These bubbles create a closed circle where new users with no stake don't get curated, similar to vote trading, similar to hsbi/eds, etc. Yes those are all problems, come up with how we can combat them than attempting to use them as an excuse to accuse me of abusing the reward pool while ignoring others because I'm scared or have some interest in letting them abuse the reward pool.
I gave you one solution, now you come up with one, this circling around the same garbage just to try and allow curation misuse is getting old and I won't entertain it any longer.
I have to get some work done and was too happy to rejoin hive to do the work first. Um
Consistently can't get my head to focus on the financials. I blame the creativity. I left thoughts on yer prior post as have same concerns there.
Not only have I noticed content being blatantly nicked on my izzzzzitheinternet wanderings...
Users are being miraculously hidden in search results ALL over and on ALL platforms in one foul swoop... I mean click. Of course. (Could only be AI driven due to the speed)
I suspect the dip in Hive and relevant tokens may be due to the new algorithms running amuck in ALL browsers (cross checked and even the FOSS ones are infected - I mean affected. Of course)
Otherwise I have little to comment as am not good at finances.
What I would say ... at this point in the Zzzzzzombie @ Pocalypse, is that the bigger picture; long term vision and Greater Good should be considered first.
As always, but with more seriousness now.
Good to see you still participating.
Good to be back!
Few things,
First a lot of people see hive-engine tokens like "main" tokens and that using hive to buy these tokens and burn them is same or equivalent that burning hive.
Lot of things are not sustainable on hive, i think there isnt much profitable projects on hive because most of the project can run on proposal pay and posting rewards ect. Thefore these project dont need to find a funding or a way to sustain them per exemple ads are almost a forbiden word on hive but in practice it could help project build sustainability a lot of games use the reward pool as a way to fund them selves because they can do it and it easyer than fiding an idea on how to make sustainable, each time i though of project (never done them bcs of lack of skils) but i tried to integrate sustainabilty in it.
In the end its up to each of us to know what is okay or not, reddit posh is seen as bad by some. I think its great, you curate good content even more if it is seen outside of hive (maybe 15$ for a reddit share is a lot but it acts as a motivation for people to share there post too so its fine). Btw i think the hbd shop is bad, using the reward pool to reduce the invoices of poor people has no utility for the chain except dildue some hive out of hive (not like they will buy hive token hold) the day the discount end they are gone
Please sir I need your help and I know that you are the best person to help me out.
I think many of us can agree that voting power is a community resource and, if used as a direct funding tool for niche projects, risks penalizing curation and shifting value away from the main ecosystem. Perhaps we need to take steps to prevent future abuse.
I can't agree with these types of opinions and this is why Hive is failing.
IMO, there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. They have built their own network because of the game they created and the players are willing to vote for those posts. Those people would certainly have voted on other things anyway. Also, most people use liquid rewards to purchase other tokens or cash out. Nothing wrong with that.
This post of little over 1000 words has currently $39 worth of votes, which takes them about 10 posts to get. Is it worth that much? For me it certainly isn't but your network and HP make you get a lot of upvotes and also give you a big protection against DVs.
This is why the DV function is fundamentally flawed. Any amount of investment has proportional value in terms of upvoting. However, only a big HP gives you protection against DVs because you can retaliate, compared to a small HP which can't retaliate in any meaningful way nor gather support from others. If people find value in the posts, let them vote and keep the earnings. DVs should be reserved for plagiarism, illegal content, scams, etc.
Even without DVs, big HP accounts already naturally support each other, because it is mutually beneficial. The small accounts are left collecting breadcrumbs, unless they are friends with some big accounts. With DVs, any small account can become the target at any point. Ultimately this will be the downfall of Hive when everyone else gives up on this rigged system.
The difference is that he's not saying "hey upvote this post and I'll buy and burn zings with it"
Yes but he might do it anyway and he's free to do so. I don't see any problem with it.
Then what was the point of bringing it up, just another time waste like most of you trying to defend this shit?
The point is that you are free to use your liquid (and even non liquid) rewards to buy whatever you want, just as the rising star account is. What's the point of earning Hive if we're only allowed to accumulate it?
It's like getting a job you are paid and then do what you want with the money but you made a job.
In this case there is no work done it's just copy paste with no "post quality"
I'm not sure I understood you 100% but you're saying because the account copy pastes the post it shouldn't get rewards? There are 2 issues with that, first is that the posts were not 100% copy pasted and there was also some work done regarding the calculations. The second is that regardless of quality of posts, there are people who want to vote for those posts and they do so with their own stake. Just like every post that is voted. 99% of the high paid posts $20+ are overpaid IMO. Very often there is no difference between the amount of work done on them and someone new, except for the network and, especially if it's a whale, hoping to get votes back.
Those votes are only countered by using downvotes but that is effectively a way to negate stakes that aren't big enough. In every stake system the higher the stake the higher the power. But the DVs create an even bigger gap where big enough stakes can neutralize smaller stakes completely. If someone were to get 50%+1 of all Hive they could, in theory, neutralize all other upvotes and never be fully neutralized themselves. Obviously that would be extremely difficult, in practice, and destroy Hive's value very quickly. Furthermore, these rules that are trying to be enforced by DVs are decided by those in power and they don't have to answer to anyone else, unless they really piss off other powerful users. If someone has a vendetta against someone else, they can destroy them. It's what happened to me and others by azircon. The rules are up to those in power and they aren't applied equally.
You think retaliating is something others don't judge you for?
Or only voting on similar sized accounts and that everyone just votes as to what's in their own self interest?
Dunno about you but I spend a lot of voting power, potentially up to 9m HP's worth daily voting on any sized account and I know many others that do the same.
It doesn't matter that you do that or not. It matters that with high enough HP anyone can do it. They don't have to vote only in those that can also give big upvotes back but it's very easy to make connections when you're able to leave $5+ votes on posts.
And retaliation is only possible with a big HP, that's what azircon did to me and several others because we didn't agree with him on discord. And when I gave DVs back I got DVed for life. He gets $20+ in all his posts, and I've yet to see one that deserved those rewards. He gets a few DVs from people he nuked but it doesn't affect the payout in a meaningful way. If he had 1k HP there's no way he would get these votes.
If they have a lot of HP it's in their own interest for that HP to gain value, else they could just buy bitcoin or something else. Why would someone with a lot of stake purposely misuse curation or downvote random accounts for no reason if they want the ecosystem to grow in value. Even so, if that ever is the case, others can combat it. I guess you're thinking of azircon again because you are affected, but he's not wrong that close to no one was consuming your content. Go work on that and if there's legitimate attention flowing your way I'll personally attempt to counter his downvotes, if not, you, similar to many others, probably didn't deserve the rewards to begin with.
A lot of users are cuddled with a lot of rewards because "inflation must go somewhere", yet if they attempted the same thing anywhere else they would just be wasting their time talking into the void. Here you think that even talking into the void should entitle you to some rewards.
Miss me in my next posts, please.
There are many examples of whales misusing HP and driving users away with DVs. I received the DVs after discussions on discord (where I was never rude) not because of anything else. There was no one to combat it. Many people were consuming my content and just 1 was able to negate everything. It's funny that you say I didn't deserve my $1 rewards per post (which only half goes to me) and I've seen many whales get 40x or more from posts that take much less effort.
The truth is that quality is irrelevant on Hive. All that matters is your HP and connections. I find it funny that you say "A lot of users are cuddled with a lot of rewards" but these rewards are very low.
And what have I done for you to want me to miss your posts?
Rewards seem low because the price is close to 0, at all time high your $10 ($5) posts would've gotten you 120 ($60) respectively.
You've received more genuine replies complaining about downvotes than you did on many posts for many months, what does that tell you?
You also instantly stopped posting after receiving a few downvotes, what does that tell us?
The "high" paying posts are the Splinterlands contests. And we're never going back to all time highs.
What does it matter getting comments? Hive is not Reddit. People vote but rarely comment. That's just how it works. If you were to remove posts that have no comments from non bot accounts, you'd be left with less than 1% of the posts.
Of course I stopped posting. I saw that I was DVed for life, why would I work hard on my posts for no rewards? Even with the low rewards I was getting I was making less than minimum wage in most third world countries on most of my posts. But I was sharing with other people, it was something. But when a powerful user poops even on those low rewards, why should I keep posting?