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RE: Temperature Increases First.

in #discussion7 years ago

Freak weather events are irrelevant in the long term.
exactly right.
for the last 8,000 years..
it's been getting COLDER on average.

the high temperatures in the eighties are irrelevant to the long term
the hottest recorded temperatures were in the 1930s

it was even hotter in the Holocine optimium, and during the time of the Minoan's, the romans, the medieval warm spell. Between each warm period there have been cold ones...the temperature recovered each time..but not as warm as it was preceeding the cold.

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I am sorry but you will not convince me because I know your conclusion is incorrect. Look at the chart I shared in one of my previous comments, which shows 800,000 years of CO2 levels and temperature of earth. This data was gathered from ice core samples by many scientists from many different countries working together. You can right click on the image and open it in a new window to see it in full size.

The chart clearly shows that CO2 levels and temperature are correlated. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, as CO2 increases more heat from the sun is trapped in earth's atmosphere and temperature goes up. CO2 levels are currently higher than they have been for over 800,000 years, there is no reason to believe temperatures will drop unless some sort of external event like a massive volcanic explosion or meteor occurs and gases will block sunlight from getting to the earth's surface.

The myth that CO2 does not cause temperature rise was created by the fossil fuel corporations who make billions extracting free stuff from the ground and selling it to people. They spread propaganda so they can keep earning revenue and so they do not look bad to the public. This is the same type of propaganda that was created by the tobacco corporations when they said cigarettes were not bad for you.

Have a nice day :)

I am sorry but you will not convince me because I know your conclusion is incorrect

Gotcha...facts don't matter to you.
Lemme ask you this.
22,000 years ago the CO2 level was less than 200 ppm

then the temperature went UP.

why?

hehe

Gotcha...facts don't matter to you.

Facts is all that matters to me, that is why I showed you a chart with eight hundred thousand years worth of facts.

You are bringing up anomalies on shorter time frames. Yes sometimes temperature can go up more than CO2, there are other things on earth that can cause temperature to increase, it is not only CO2. I never denied that nor do scientists, but when you look at all the data, the correlation between CO2 and temperature is a fact, it is a green house gas that traps heat in the earth's atmosphere.

Currently CO2 is at around 400 parts per million, higher than it has been in the last eight hundred thousand years, so based on the last eight hundred thousand years of factual data this means temperature will go up.

Unless you are a fortune teller that knows that CO2 will magically vanish from the atmosphere back down to the levels we have had for the last eight hundred thousand years or something will block sunlight from hitting the earth's surface. There is no reason to believe that earth's temperatures will decrease in the future.

you keep using that word correlation.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
roosters crowing at dawn is almost one hundred percent correlated with the sun coming up.
correlation does not mean causation.

I know exactly what it means, that is why I said it

correlation does not mean causation.

Not always, but in this case we have eight hundred thousand years of data that proves it.

the holocene optimium was a LOT hotter than today.
the Minoan warm period was a LOT hotter than today.
The Roman warm period, the early medivial, the late medieval...all hotter than today..

it is clear the Earth and especially the Northern Hemisphere are cooler today than 7,000 BP and we are in a cooling trend

yet the CO2 was lower...?

oh...one more thing...you keep saying '800,000 years'...the Vostok Antarctic Ice Core Record only goes back half that far.

In the plot of the full Vostok ice core record in the upper left, you might just be able to see that the middle graph (Carbon Dioxide concentration, green line) slightly lags the temperature by about 800 years on average. This suggests that the changes in temperature might cause the Carbon Dioxide changes rather than the other way around.

Where did you get the data for the other 400K years?

The chart is from NASA, it is explained in the video I linked. The data goes back to 800,000 years.
https://icecores.org/icecores/drilling.shtml

The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica.

Most graphs only show the last 400k years just to make the graph smaller
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/