Holy Holy Shit guys. This has been a very long read. I not only have read the whole post from top to bottom, but I also have read every and each one of the comments and replies over there very attentively too.
And what I find painfully obvious, is how many people has not the most remote idea of what a Curator or 'curation' really means. :@
Ok @blocktrades. Do you really wanna defeat and get rid of autovoting & autovote services quickly and once for all? And also reduce inflation at the same time?
Alright! then read a handful of possible suggestions/solutions that I reckon must be very easy code modifications to accomplish and a very cheap job to carry out.
First of all.
Get rid of the fucking "voting window" right away. And establish it unlimited. Not 5 minutes, nor 1 minute nor 15 minutes nor 30min to vote. Establish it UNLIMITED.
Simply bring in flat curation. So that it no longer matters when you vote on a post or how large the post value is when you vote on it. Make that voting late or voting last doesn't matter for the amount of curation rewards.
And what I mean by unlimited?
Well, that means that we can be able to upvote a post whenever we want without 'timeframe' curation rewards penalization whatsoever regardless how late we can upvote said post during its entire lifetime.
Oh yes! and with its 'entire lifetime' I'd go to the extreme to suggest that posts shouldn't last only 7 days to accumulate rewards. At least not for the authors. However, you even can code this feature to get 'curation rewards' too if you want.
Second:
Definitely forget about linear, nonlinear, convergent, euclidean, pitagorical or whatevah algebraic or geometric rewards curve algoritms. Put this simple. Regardless of HP stake, voting timeframes, etc. etc. Everyone who upvote a post must get the VERY SAME amount of curation rewards during the post lifetime.
To expose this clearer. Let's say that a post got 100 upvotes which ends up earning $200 in total after a period of 30 days for the first term payout. And assuming EIP 50/50 policy is still in force. Well, easy, $100 for the author and only $1.00 for each upvoter. Regardless how many dollars each upvoter granted with their upvote.
This way, I would be sure that every large stakeholders who are also proud to call themselves "Curators" will have to actually be forced to exert their job as a True Curator finding new authors to curate. In other words, exercise Content Discovery as God and the infamous EIP demands. You really Curate, you earn. Simple as that.
If unlimited post lifetime would be too much, then reduce this to 6 months or even 30 days minimum as it was before at the beginning of the steem blockchain.
Third:
Get rid of the voting slider. Everyone who wants to be a CURATOR and get 'curation rewards' must cast an upvote at full 100% all the time. 10 votes daily. Period.
Yeah! probably less peeps to curate and to whom distribute the hive rewards pool wider. And prolly we could see to all those self proclaimed 'cureitors' only upvoting themselves, to their close friends or circle jerkings. But with the great advantage that it would be much easier to pinpoint them and downvote them until eventually excommunicate them. };)
Since we all are going to earn the same amount of curation rewards regardless of HP stake, timeframe, etc. but with more time available for real content discovery. Then as organic and manual curators, what the hell do we care if we can only grant only 10 votes a day? Given you indeed READ what you vote looking for the best authors?
Still would be an awfully time consuming task? Sorry, but I don't think so!!
Obviously, you may grant more than 10 upvotes each day if you don't mind that your voting power percentage drops too low and then you have to wait longer to recharge it to 100% to vote again at your full potential.
But if you really feel like a curator, as you do intend to make others believe that you are and that your main mission & purpose as a curator is retain current users and great authors and attracting new people to make them stay/invest. Then, ROI for your upvotes would be the least of your worries to perform as a Real Curator. Right?
Since simply contributing to a significant increase in the value of the Hive token in the markets would already be enough ROI for everyone. Especially when retaining users and good content creators is already a struggle by itself and we wouldn't be much without them. Without them, what the hell are you gonna 'curate' to earn?
Fourth:
Having said all the above. And if Hive investors and large stakeholder find that it is not fair for their money or their HP investments. I'm sorry dudes, but I have to tell you that you are not nothing like a Curator MoFo. You are merely a lazy investor, speculator and maximizer who care a flying rat ass about the SOCIAL aspect of a Social Network and its entire community looking only how to automatize gains.
If you don't plan to create content yourself or contribute to distributing the rewards pool as widely as possible by spending some time, interest, and willingness doing real active work for it. Then your fat wallet is pretty useless here to pretend to earn money without doing nothing. Unless @edicted idea of allocate inflation away from the rewards pool and into the saving accounts gain some muscle and support.
Then you can take it easy and invest in as much Hive as you want to have all of them stuck in your saving account earning as much interests as you want while you are also expecting the Hive value in the markets go suddenly to the moon without you doing anything from your part. Do you want more ROI than that? Then work for it!
Fifth:
Well, I suppose that all of those who have been following me from four years ago knows pretty well how antagonic to every kind of automatisms I am. So, my view shouldn't be any surprise for anyone. I believe and preach that to obtain some sort of monetary gain or of any other nature you actually have to put some effort and work for it. It's never enough to just have a lot of money and juggle with it as you please without doing anything useful for anybody close to you.
That would be fucking useless and selfish!
Especially from a human and social point of view. How would you expect to increase the value of your equity and holdings if no one else is willing to play the game?
And without the real players (content creators) how long would the game last?
Yeah, if you don't believe me. Just take a quick peep at the Steem blockchain.
Well @blocktrades, this is barely a very quick view of my position. Obviously, I would still have much more to highlight. But I guess these four point above are the main ones to ponder in order to find out a feasible solution specifically for what you are looking for right away or as soon as possible.
I would actually try to round off my ideas better depending on the feedback and engagement this post could possibly generate. But I don't really have any illusions about that, since everyone here knows that I am the king of the soliloquy.
And last but not least. Just tell you that I wrote this post in one fell swoop with my poor english but amazing spanglish. So I did not bother to check the grammar, spelling or the actual existence of some phrases that I have used in this article.
Because either way, I know that my outrageous outstanding spanglish can be read and understood splendidly well. Yeah, although usually nobody dare to comment in my posts, I know most of you read me.
For the next time, I promise I will try to improve my makeup skills and perhaps that way, I can get better interaction, engagement and rewards.
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I still don't understand why they keep maintaining the stupid rewarding curve algo...
Btw, your English is perfect
I'm pretty positive that the "stupid rewarding curve algo" is just a damn excuse & nasty conspicuous "tool" that only the big honchos (who thinks they are popular) and the wealthiest Steem/Hive shareholders have pulled from under their sleeves so that it benefits them exclusively. But that they have sold to the rest of the clueless plebs as necessary for the good health and survival of the entire ecosystem.
Haha thanks. But although sorta eloquent, sometimes I really have to admit that very often it is not so easy to grasp without a big/fat dictionary and a good thesaurus at hand. LoL
Hmmm, not sure about that. Folks would just send their 10HP alt account armies to the most rewarded posts :)
Yeah, that may well be true. But then, the voting automatisms wouldn't be so popular and extended. Since not many here already have thousands or hundreeds of Alts to scatter those rickety 10HP each across all of them to be worth the annoyance.
And while it could still be attractive to get a full 1 buck of 'curation rewards' from a $0.01 cents 100% VP upvote on a fictitious post with $200 earnings. I bet that those who definitely are willing to go to the trouble and adopt this form of unfair automated "curation" to milk the system, they would be much easier to identify and defeat while we find an effective way to definitely exclude these autovoting services from the game.
And in the event that these folks still exist and insist to play the game in the way you've suggested. We'd know that at least they would have invested a lot of time, work, money and effort to go thru each one of their alt accounts army, make sure that all of them have at least those 10 HP available to be able to vote and transact, include each one of them in the autovoting services automatisms whether that be following existent automated community trails or voting guilds or creating their own lists, but that despite all that effort... above all, they will have to find out first where the hell are those most rewarded posts of around 200 bucks in earnings from where they possibly could prey on a full $1.00 in curation rewards after all the hassle.
I'm well aware what you are talking about in your comment. Since I know you already did your 'homework' very well long time ago. But at least me and everyone else over here also knows that you are one of the few who truly fire his ass working manually and organically to earn one full dollar of c.u.r.a.t.i.o.n. rewards. :)
He/she was probably just having one of those lazy moments of how to make a quick hundred bucks and talking about changing up the rewards pool will always generate a fast Benjamin.
If I want to make a quick hundred bucks, there's much easier ways for me to do it than make a post, then spend time spending time answering comments related to it.
....one of the reasons I've never been big on "mission statements", "team work" and "team player". Thank god I am not looking for an accountant.
Hahaha my friend, I have the hunch you are one of the few who truly READ my posts. And for the same reason, I'm suspecting that I have infected you with some of my cryptic writing style. Since I've read your comment six times now and still haven't deciphered to what the heck exactly are you referring to. :)
Well I don't read all your post, not that I don't like the stuff you write it's just they do tend to get lengthy sometimes. You post quite a bit so it becomes a time constraint issue. Now I take the time to look then consider if I have time to read it all considering whatever else I may have I want to get done as I blog quite a few places. I don't like reading half of something then commenting, I like to view the whole scope of what I am commenting on, keeps you from looking like a fool if the writer changes course....anyway, talk about long windedness (lol)...I'll shut up and get to your bewilderment issue.
It was just an off comment saying if someone was having a bit of writers block there are always topics that will rake in a quick few bucks...this isn't the first time blocktrades has written on the subject, it was an off the wall comment on maximizing $$ one's take on a particular subject.
Hahaha, don't worry my dear friend. I am one of those weirdos who actually likes to READ. And same as you, I also prefer to devote the necessary time to do it well. :)
I was just teasing you a bit in my previous reply. I was well aware of who you were referring to. My intention was just to pull your tongue hard enough so you would expressly say that you were referring to blocktrades in your comment just so that it would be registered in the immutable blockchain. LoL
Yeah! you are one of the smart conscious ones. The ones I like in my tribe. Of those who if they dare to comment that the donkey is black, it is because they already have a handful of donkey's black hair on their hand. Usually, few things are as annoying as those chaps who intend to make you believe they have read something or they even try to convince you that they can read.
Sheesh! would you reckon we should read a lot more of his posts so we can learn quickly all the tricks about how out of the blue generate, maximize and earn a ton of $$ writing on the same particular subjects? };)
I've always disliked the voting window garbage. It has been one of the biggest reasons for autovotes in my opinion. Remove the game from the curation and make it more organic. We have games on the chain, we don't need the social aspect to be gamified.
Undoubtedly mate!! I totally concur with your reasoning. :)
We have not only games on the chain to earn rewards and Hive tokens from a heap of different, multiple and diverse economic activities. We indeed don't need that the SOCIAL aspect in this chain has to be gamified.
Ditto! with an active Organic & Manual human presence and interaction that really attract, inspire, impulse and convince to true living beings to want to invest their money, time and effort participating through an authentic Social experience that reward such investments as humanly as these can be.
I would love to see the social being the focus over the game. People who are posting to social networks are not just gamers now, it is a very wide and diverse cross section of the world. The problem seems to be that the games bring the funds in where blogging doesn't have the money draw.
Very acute and accurate observation!
After more than four years wandering over here, I've seen we still are being financially surpassed and discouraged by a huge deluge of oportunists, socially blind and greedy "gamers & gamblers" in this place with too much disposable money in their hands to keep pleasing only their own selfish hustler's whims exclusively.
As to optimistically believe that we can aspire that they can be able to really have the chance to stop for a minute, rethink their sociopathic behavior for a while and finally understand fully what being social really means asap.
And then, hopefully, expect that they play the main collective game fairly with the same common rules and natural human ways like the great majority over here are often trying to honestly play it with true effort, visible dedication and consistent regular work all the time.
It really is human nature that is the problem. Greed has a way of blinding people to the generally accepted morally correct path, the one accepted by the masses, not the holier-than-though attitude so many of the opportunists, and hell even whales have had.
How do we have a system that is based on monetary reward but not have it weighted so heavily to the few with the most money? That seems to be the problem of the world at large right now, let alone our little crevice of the web.
Oh yeah, I agree. When I have referred to "human nature" more than anything I used the phrase in opposition to Bots and automatisms. Where obviously, there are some sort of 'greedy humans' behind them anyway. }:)
Yup! although I bet that if those masses were not an humongous bunch of lazy hypocritical opportunistic poor ass-kissers following the easy money that the whales sporadically and pinchly are willing to poop sometimes in their lap. I have no doubt that new healthier alternatives would spread to what a general accepted morally correct path should be.
Well, it's indeed the undying conundrum. And although perhaps neither of us will see the possible solution materially crystalize and consolidate in what still rest of our lives. I have the hunch that it is already coming around the corner sooner than later in a new ol' world where we will have to genuinely work hard under the sun to collect a good bag of cute seashells or grains of salt daily to barely guarantee a minimal survival in this planet.
Definitely. And the Homo Sapiens has been for centuries a notorious specimen and splendid creator of crevices and gaps everywhere to try to prevail and impose their own interests and will over others of their same breed taking advantage of their weaker peers trying to make them believe until they are convinced that most of them don't have or dispose of what is required to reach the same "privileged" peak in which they fleetingly are sitting now.
Your first suggestion is sound
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Thank you mate! :)
Yeah, I also think the first suggestion is the main one to offer to @blocktrades to try find a possible solution to what bother him the most and he is in the quest to defeat sooner and easier. Knock out the autovoting services and at the same time reduce a great deal of the overall blockchain inflation.
Though, I'm pretty curious to know what could be your appreciated opinion on the rest of the bald suggestions.
Haven't these other suggestions enough hair to pull as to grab them from some side to please whims and somewhat squeeze some satisfactions in the process too?
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