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Not even remotely similar.
There is no community directive to bash people posting on both, those are individual people making individual choices with their stake.
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Not even remotely similar.
There is no community directive to bash people posting on both, those are individual people making individual choices with their stake.
Still not the point, since i am not comparing wich is better, but the perception how people are not being welcomed here because they still use steem.
I don't participate in that activity, anyone who does is doing it on their own free will.
There are two types of users who fit in the category you describe, those who helped facilitate the hostile take over by supporting Justin Sun's sock puppet witnesses and those who post on both platforms to get rewards on both.
I have zero sympathy for the first group, I'm not a fan of the second but I don't discourage them either.
Who are you referring to? Theyre being attacked for simply posting on STEEM?
Show me, im curious..
Sure, how about this post a long time ago, that fortunately, after some heated discussion, @arcange backed off from that position.
This is a reflection of some witness thoughts about people posting on both chains.
A lot of this attitude might not be posted on HIVE, but I have seen a lot like this both from witness and from other users across some of the community discord channels.
Or this post from a curation community, where some witness downvoted (including @themarkymark) for no apparent reason, at least none that were publicly explained, but apparently, through some discord conversation, the reason given was that @project.hope is doing his curation project both here and on Steem.
If you look deeper, there is probably a lot more examples, but sorry, not much time to search for them right now.
Because the project lead is a piece of human garbage.
Keep fuelling his ring if you so desire.
How is he a piece of human garbage? Please, elaborate...
Defending scammy behaviors, plagiarists, etc. are some of the gripes people have against him.
Some dislike him for using both platforms.
But hey, continue to be exploited for your cheap labor by paying him 20%.
Sure, 20% as beneficiary, but here is the thing... these 20% have opened up way more support from @project.hope team and community than any other 'curation' project that exists around here for way more time.
Specially because a vote is only a part of the project, which includes looking for people that actually try to create quality content, and incentivizing the project member not to only vote for rewards, but actually engage with the authors (wow, what an amazing concept right? incentives to engage the community...)
I have been on this blockchain for around 5 years, and even after trying to engage on a lot of older projects, @project.hope was actually the only one that came after me, and asked if I wanted to join their project, explaining how everything worked.
Sure, some plagiarized posts go through one time or another, but instead of "punishing" the user for doing something wrong, the community works to make that user understand why what he did was wrong.
You know, to act as community.
What make things more interesting is that the same "logic" you are talking about doesn't apply to communities where these "white knights" that protect the blockchain are participants of.
Here is the problem with HIVE right now @enforcer48, (actually still the same problem from the old days):
If the big stakeholders of this platform see someone/some project that isn't doing exactly as they think things should be done (usually in a way that benefits them), the hostility grows, and instead of accepting that everyone should have the liberty of trying different stuff (some limits implied, of course, on clear abuse type of content, like spam), some try to take that thing down as fast as possible.
It's a huge problem of witness acting as if they 'owned' the blockchain, but the truth is, witnesses are supposed to be providing a service to the whole community, not the other way around.
So, it seems you are trying to put a label of scam on a project that is trying to do something that a place like HIVE was supposed to allow everyone to: create a community....
Lol. 3 months ago when emotions were high and arcange, as you said backed down.
No, it is not a reflection of anything but the stance of one person at the time, 3 months ago, Arcange.
I dunno. If its true apparently they dont want to support a project that runs on Steem as well or it could be what @enforcer48 said. Im not familiar with that community so i cant judge.
If you want a answer on why they do it ask them. Then we can discuss the morality of their reasoning.
There really isnt because you did your best to find some and you were found lacking. If you had a "smoking gun" youd let us know.
What you need to understand is that anyone that supports Steem and Justin is either:
There is no in-between.
There are many whales, witnesses on HIVE i openly make fun of and dislike on a personal basis (marky is a dick, wolfie a coward, netuoso a leech, etc.) but there is no world in which i will ever pick Justin Sun, a sociopath, over them when i look at all the facts of what happened.
You want everyone to just FORGIVE those that supported Justin. There has been a lot of hurt that happened and a lot of money at play. None of us are saints and forgivness doesnt just happen.
Here is the thing... I never mentioned anything about those that supported the Justin Sun move over the community, and as anyone else that moved to use HIVE, I also think it was a shitty (and pretty dumb) maneuver that he did.
I am talking about users, something that a platform like this need, but you guys still keep the hate about what happened to be stronger than the desire to actually work towards improving this place.
Sure you and others might have the louder voice because of your stakes, but it is so loud that you only hear what you are talking among yourself, and praise each other as the ones that know it all...
If things stay moving on the direction it is right now, the big stake holders (wich, at moment I don't have much interest in becoming one) will be the only ones around, holding a crypto that will lose value day after day.
The fact that some of these stakeholders adopt this kind of attitude towards those that still use both blockchains is only a symptom of a culture that is too egotistical, and think they are better than the rest of the users.
This isn't a welcoming place, if you don't belong to the 'inner circles' in a way or another.
Who is doing that? You were free to give examples but you didnt.
What hate? Hate for Steem? Ofc people will hate Steem. Steem (Justin) stole 5 million USD from our witnesses and whales.
How out of touch with reality are you when you make the demand for those that got their money stolen to stop hating STEEM. Would you?
Huh? Im not a big stakeholder. Far from it. None of these people like me and 100% of them would love if i went away because i call them out for being assholes when they act as assholes.
On Steem there is only 1 voice that matters, Justins, while on HIVE everyone's voice matters.
Fuck, Bernie, one of the top whales on HIVE literally hates me, downvotes almost every post i make because i have 100x less stake then he does but there are far more people that care about what i have to say then what he does.
You have whales that have direct control over the platform and you can still be heard despite that.
Give me 1 example of any other platform where that is the case!
HIVE is fucking brilliant.
It is a welcoming place by default. I dont belong to any inner circle and i dont have to.
Take personal responsibility for your success. Dont play a victim and pretend that no one can get ahead. That is a lie.
And we go round and round and round to the same place.
It's amazing how someone can't critique something around here that is labeled as "hater", "playing victim", or whatever the new word is, instead of actually going through the point of the discussion...
But anyway... HIVE culture being the HIVE culture...
Funny. I'm not welcomed to use Steem by the powers that may be there, so why do you make it sound one-sided?
Still not the point. The issue I am talking is not about whoever is to blame for whatever happened on Steem.
My point is about how many actual users you want HIVE to keep, instead of they moving completely to another platform, or even how many more people the witness want to join HIVE.
People are more willing to stay on a place if they are incentivized to, and not punished for going across the street.
That is marketing 101...
But if network growth isn't something the witness want for the blockchain, well... just keep doing what you guys are doing.
What do you want about "incentives".
Just have that wonderful project to upvote you.
Or, I guess your 20% tribute is not good enough to get you into their "in" club?