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in Deep Dives5 years ago

The number one thing you miss is that other people don't give people heart disease, cancers, diabetes, etc., it's a whole different ballgame. Those are self inflicted diseases chosen by a person's own liberties to do so but not forced upon another person by contact with someone else. There is a whole army of professionals on the front lines fighting everyday to develop cures for what ails people and even governments give grants for research toward that endeavor.

That doctor you quoted on measles if way off base. There's only been 11 deaths of measles in the US since 2000. Worldwide that number is much larger, over a hundred thousand...but that's due to lack of vaccine protocol in third world countries for the most part. Sure back in the fifties and sixties four to five hundred people a year died of measles but that's a far cry from the 11 over nearly two decades and the nearly six thousand a year who died in the early 1900's. Until vaccines people learned to deal with viruses through isolation and hygiene to bring down the death toll over the decades but vaccines eliminated a lot of those problems. What she is talking about is what a lot of them do now, there is a data base that all doctors have to enter a person's name when they get a vaccine, if that person shows up at the doctors office for any reason what so ever after receiving a vaccine the reason for the visit has to be reported to that data base. So if you stub your toe and break it that gets reported but it does not mean the vaccine caused it. If you die while skiing downhill four weeks later that does not mean the vaccine caused it....in other words the data base has become a windfall of excuses for the anti vaxxers to besmirch the vaccine industry....they'll report the number of reports to the data base without telling you what befell the person.

Yes Sars and Mers were more deadly....that's why there was such a low number of deaths attributed to it and partially why it was so easily contained....you can't spread something if you are dead and the other part is it had a low transmission rate. During a normal flu season forty to fifty thousand people do die of the flu, the higher number comes in after the cdc goes over the death records for two years prior. Everyone who died of a upper respiratory infection or pneumonia are then added as having died of influenza regardless that it's not stated on the death certification. The reasoning is is that person may have had the flu prior to becoming so ill they had to go to the hospital. Not showing any more symptoms of the flu they are not tested but the flu reeked such havoc on their bodies they end of succumbing to whatever ailed them prior to getting the flu. People can complain all they want but the fact of the matter is there will never be a way they can explain away a hundred and sixty thousand some deaths in a six month period compared to the average flu season of September through the spring of only forty to fifty thousand people....this virus has done tripled that.

Here's the problem. I vaguely remember the first influenza coming onshore, or at least one of them. I was young and it was basically killing older people....now in retrospect I see exactly how selfish and self centered I was back then when my friends and I just went about our business as usual because we didn't have to worry about dying, we hung out with each other not our grandparents if any were still alive, or our parents for that matter...we were to busy off partying and for the most part none of us lived at home back then....here's the most selfish part...we never even considered the rest of the worlds elderly loved ones should we have gotten it and passed it along while in a store or to a elderly neighbor....let alone anyone we knew who was immune compromised, as a matter of fact back then it would of been: exactly what is that? We didn't sit around watching all the news, the doom and gloom, why should we have it didn't pertain to us.

With any new vaccine many people are going to wait, especially with this one with this virus incredible ability to latch onto and spread through the body's RNA....meaning it's viral load can spread rapidly through the cells through out the body, what they come up with would seem like they'd have to develop something that shuts it down from all the cells it can attach to....the big question would be how would that effect the differing cells in the body. Can they isolate it to just block off the main entrance? Find a way to block it's ability to attach to the cells to begin with?....there's just to many unknowns to be jumping first in line for whatever they come up with.

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As a kid I went to measles and mumps parties. I caught them, and am now immune for life.

No one who was vaccinated for them is immune for life. The immune system is layered, and dead and attenuated virus vaccines do not activate the primary layer of the immune system, which weakens the immune system, and adjuvants and agonists added to the vaccines to activate the secondary layer cause many allergies, asthma, ADHD, and many, many other side effects in addition to the people that get the disease from the vaccine itself.

The only disease vaccines have actually worked to eliminate is smallpox - which I do not downplay at all, and is a great achievement of medical science without which millions of people would have suffered terribly and died.

The measles, mumps, diptheria, tetanus, scarlet fever, cholera, and on and on, were all reduced to inconsequence by improved hygiene, better medical treatment, refrigeration (which few realize is an enormous health benefit), and education, amongst other things. Vaccines for almost all of those diseases came along after they were all but eliminated.

One that didn't even get a vaccine is scarlet fever, which still has no vaccine, but is practically extinct.

What is very interesting is that SIDS has plummeted since people have been prevented from vaccinating their infant children. Thousands of American babies are alive today because the lockdowns prevented them being vaccinated.

Vaccines cause SIDS, allergies, autism and asperger's, and many other extremely dangerous and fatal diseases.

Measles does not.

ps. ...you totally ignore that studies have shown that people who live near heavily industrialized area's are more prone to produce children with Autism.

Being incapable of absorbing all facts is not ignoring them. My ability to consume and understand information is limited by the facts of my existence. I will here observe that my underlying observation regarding diseases caused by vaccines are likely to be just as relevant to industrial pollution, because it is the introduction of dangerous chemicals to our physiological bodies that causes those diseases, and injection is simply a means of introduction, albeit more direct and hazardous than environmental contact because it bypasses our physiological barriers such as skin, mucus membranes, and etc.

I really hope you are not a spinach lover and aren't prone to liking foods grown in the ground, spinach consumption over a lifetime will produce five times more aluminum than you'd ever get from a vaccine and is found in almost all grown foods.

Powdered aluminum is also used as an anti-clumping agent in all kinds of powered foods and drinks.

If I remember right it's also used in deodorants.

Well stated.

Back then that was like playing russian roulette, you could have been one of the four to five hundred cases where the person died, got encephalitis of the brain or had to have been hospitalized for a number of other measles related complications....but since it wasn't you, your brother, sister, cousin then it's perfectly okay that four to five hundred other people lost their children or lived with life long damage done by measles. Only three percent of the population who have been vaccinated can get measles again, that number will slowly fade as those who only got one vaccine in the sixties start dying off as measles is a two vaccination requirement. Scarlet fever, and we've been over this before, still exist today and runs rampant across the country...it's strep throat and it's now cured by antibiotics not vaccines and children do not die from SIDS after getting a vaccine, the number of cases of SIDS has dropped significantly since changing the way a baby lays while sleeping....you been believing two many of those reports in vaers, just because a death is reported does not mean it was directly responsible for a death.

You grossly mischaracterize the hazards of such childhood disease.

"Back then that was like playing russian roulette, you could have been one of the four to five hundred cases where the person died, got encephalitis of the brain or had to have been hospitalized for a number of other measles related complications....but since it wasn't you, your brother, sister, cousin then it's perfectly okay that four to five hundred other people lost their children or lived with life long damage done by measles."

That is utterly misleading, and implies that hundreds of peope fell gravely ill for everyone that simply became immune after a short period of discomfort.

It's BS.

"Scarlet fever, and we've been over this before, still exist today and runs rampant across the country...it's strep throat and it's now cured by antibiotics not vaccines and children do not die from SIDS after getting a vaccine, the number of cases of SIDS has dropped significantly since changing the way a baby lays while sleeping....you been believing two many of those reports in vaers, just because a death is reported does not mean it was directly responsible for a death."

So is that. I absolutely refute your contention that scarlet fever 'today...runs rampant...'.

I do not read, and have never read, VAERS reports. I have read recently a study on all cause mortality in 2020, and the number of infant deaths from SIDS has plummeted, which correlates exactly with the reduction in infant vaccinations.

Vaccines cause SIDS.

You're full of lies and crap on this issue because you believe what you're told, and do not read the actual science with an open mind. Vaccines did not end any disease except smallpox, scarlet fever is not killing people today, and proves that the diseases that once killed many have been rendered inconsequenial today by other blessings of civilization than vaccines, which includes better medical treatment such as antibiotics.

That's the factual truth, and you deny it. You are a science denier.

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Trust me, I'm on your side here, but,

Vaccines cause SIDS.

...this is a bit of an overstatement (unscientific opinion).

I hate to say,

That's the factual truth, and you deny it. You are a science denier.

This is also somewhat of an overstatement.

The number one thing you miss is that other people don't give people heart disease, cancers, diabetes, etc., it's a whole different ballgame.

Yes they do.

Every person who grows, ships, promotes, and sells cocaine, heroin, opium, and SUGAR, is responsible.

When you give someone REFINED SUGAR, you are giving them POISON.

This is not my opinion, this is a verifiable FACT.

more straw man

it's only a strawman if I misrepresent YOUR argument (and if this happens, please simply restate your OWN argument more clearly).

When you give someone REFINED SUGAR, you are giving them POISON.

THIS IS A STATEMENT OF FACT.

Please challenge my axioms and or point out a specific logical error and or provide a counter-factual.

Those are self inflicted diseases chosen by a person's own liberties to do so but not forced upon another person by contact with someone else.

Is it really "self inflicted" when even small children are primed to become SUGAR ADDICTS almost from birth?

straw man

a question cannot be a strawman.

It's a question.

Is it really "self inflicted" when even small children are primed to become SUGAR ADDICTS almost from birth?

There is a whole army of professionals on the front lines fighting everyday to develop [EXPENSIVE LONG TERM TREATMENTS] for what ails people and even governments give grants for research toward that endeavor.

EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

That doctor you quoted on measles if way off base.

Citation please. I only understand data. How many deaths per 10,000 infected?

You can use a search engine, put in how many people die each year from the measles....you'll get that eleven people have died since 2000 from a variety of articles....the deaths per 10,000 doesn't apply because there isn't a death per 10,000 it's impossible.

Common side effects of the MMR vaccine include fever, mild rash, and swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck.1 A more serious side effect is seizure, which occurs in about 1 in 640 children vaccinated with MMR2—about five times more often than seizure from measles infection.

https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/

So if you stub your toe and break it that gets reported but it does not mean the vaccine caused it.

Have fun burning down your own STRAW-MAN.

Deaths reported after vaccination:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6771280/

They had nothing to do with getting a vaccine.

The government tracks reported cases of vaccine side effects through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Approximately 40 cases of death and permanent injury from the MMR vaccine are reported to VAERS annually. However, VAERS is a passive reporting system—authorities do not actively search for cases and do not actively remind doctors and the public to report cases. These limitations can lead to significant underreporting. The CDC states, “VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.” Indeed, as few as 1% of serious side effects from medical products are reported to passive surveillance systems, and as few as 1.6% of MMR-related seizures are reported to VAERS. In addition, VAERS reports are not proof that a side effect occurred, as the system is not designed to thoroughly investigate all cases. As a result, VAERS does not provide an accurate count of MMR vaccine side effects.

https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/

ALSO, there are no reports of "stubbed toe" in your citation.

People can complain all they want but the fact of the matter is there will never be a way they can explain away a hundred and sixty thousand some deaths in a six month period compared to the average flu season of September through the spring of only forty to fifty thousand people....this virus has done tripled that.

Excellent point. WE SHOULD ONLY LOOK AT "DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES" COMPARED YEAR-OVER-YEAR.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DYING, MORE THAT TWICE AS MANY AS EXPECTED IN NYC. BUT NOT EVERYWHERE.

Places where deaths were high, like NYC, kicked dying people out of hospitals where they were receiving the best care into nursing homes, where they died in droves without that medical care.

Nursing homes are money-grubbing deathtraps.

If you have twice as many people you are going to have twice as many deaths.

Are you suggesting the population of NYC has doubled between 2019 and 2020?

as a matter of fact back then it would of been: exactly what is that? We didn't sit around watching all the news, the doom and gloom, why should we have it didn't pertain to us.

DO YOU BELIEVE CHURCHES AND PUBLIC GATHERINGS SHOULD BE PERMANENTLY SUSPENDED?

That ain't even happening on a permanent basis, you could have fooled me as I see large gatherings everywhere.

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