All Lives Matter?

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Now why would I end today's title with a question-mark? All lives matter, that's a fact. So, do white lives matter? Yes of course they do because, again, all lives matter. What is it then, that gives black people a monopoly or a special right to claim that their lives matter? And why do leftists (and rational people on all sides) lose their cool when white people put up banners with the slogan "White Lives Matter"?


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When the English Premier League restarted, all players from 20 clubs kneeled and some raised their fists to pay homage to the Black Lives Matter movement. For the first 12 matches players also wore shirts with the slogan. But last Monday when Manchester United played against Burnley, a plane flew over the stadium trailing a banner displaying the message "White Lives Matter Burnley". The officials from the Burnley club naturally condemned that message and issued an official apology; the Burnley captain said after the game that he was "ashamed and embarrassed". Now, what's amazing to me (but not really) is that there are people, mostly from the alt-right, white supremacists, neo-fascists and some others who are equally clueless, who don't understand or don't want to understand why the slogan "White Lives Matter" is an insult to the non-white people who until this day live with their necks under the boot of the white race.

The video I share with you today is from Carl Benjamin a.k.a. Sargon of Akkad; he's either ignorant or racist, I'll leave that up for you all to decide for yourself. Carl is one of those people who argue that if Black Lives Matter, why don't White Lives Matter? He states that if we agree that All Lives Matter, then surely both BLM and WLM are valid. And by arguing like that he demonstrates that he completely misses the point. Of course all lives matter. No one person is inherently better or more worthy than any other person. And "race" is a social construct; there's no gene or cluster of genes common to all blacks or all whites. On the contrary; one might find more genetic variation between two black people from different African countries than there is between a black and white person from America. Race is not biological, so to attach worth to the color of one's skin is particularly ignorant, or is born from a misguided notion that one socially constructed race is better than any other socially constructed race.


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To be fair to Carl, he doesn't claim that one race is better than another. But to be fair to everyone, Carl IS upset by the public outrage aimed against the White Lives Matter publicity stunt during the Manchester United vs. Burnley soccer match, and like the slogan he portrays white people as an unfairly suppressed social group. In his rant, like so many coming from the alt-right and neo-fascists, white people are victims. He thinks it's unfair that white people can not fight for THEIR rights, when black people can. He doesn't or won't understand the difference between a black man saying that he's "Proud To Be Black" and a white man saying he's "Proud To Be White". The difference, dear Carl, is that white people are in power, and have been for centuries. Your problem is that you, like your fellow right wing charlatans on the internet (like Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson among countless others), don't recognize the existence of white privilege and male privilege. You deny the truth of systemic racism, just like Jordan Peterson. You somehow mistake affirmative action born out of identity politics for suppression of your precious white race.

In the law we've identified, for good sociological and historical reasons, several so called "protected groups" in order to make it illegal to discriminate against these historically suppressed groups like women, gay people, non white people and so on. According to people like Carl here these laws as well as identity politics are part of a leftist conspiracy of Marxist professors. Jordan Peterson gave a speech titled Identity politics and the Marxist lie of white privilege; follow that link if you want to listen to someone who's way smarter than Carl make the same erroneous claims. Same sex couples celebrate their fairly recent right to not be discriminated against each year during "Gay Pride". These far right reactionaries invented "Straight Pride" which is just as insulting as "White Lives Matter"; straight people and white people are not included, for good sociological and historical reasons, in the law's protected groups. And if you need an explanation as to why that is, you're simply ignorant or malicious.

Where I do partly agree with these white male cry-babies is in the exaggeration, the virtue signalling and the feigned "white guilt" present in some parts of the political left. So you don't have to feel guilt over past crimes against the suppressed groups; you are not personally guilty of slavery. What you can be guilty of is contributing to the continued suppression of these groups, and that's what you're doing Carl, Jordan, Stefan, Candace, Charlie... You all provide a gateway to fascism, white supremacy and white nationalism with your faux appeal to common sense and calls for black people to "get over it" because slavery is no more. Watch the first video to see many of them "in action" while they sell their racist message through the PragerU misinformation platform; that one's at least funny...


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Just put "as well" on the end of the slogans, then they might not seem like they have "only" in front of them.
There ya go.

Thanks for the tip @p-props :-) I'm afraid though that this would defeat the purpose of what BLM is all about...

Since ppl like to use percentages to "prove" blacks are discriminated against more than others in the criminal justice system(hint:they aren't), let's use them to see how many whites are truly in power.

Question: How many whites are truly in power giving them priviledge?

How many in America? How many in each European country? Russia? Asia? Latin or South America? The Middle East? Israel? Every country individually and break it all down on every level possible.

Then use them to prove each White person in the world has priviledge over EVERY OTHER non-white on the planet?

YOU FIGURE IT OUT AND SHOW US! If you can't or won't, you haven't proven your case, nor even tried. If you cannot your opinion is based on emotion, not science. If you WILL NOT, you're not interested in the truth.

Emotions, examples and parables not paired with the facts, all the facts are moot.

If one doesn't want to be discriminated against because if the color of their skin, they shouldn't only advocate for a specific color.

As for race being a social construct, I'll give you this, but again, you are just scratching the surface.

'Race' is a word with a definition, like all words, which in themselves are social contructs. While it's hard to pinpoint what exactly constitutes a race scientifically, the population as a whole does define it well enough...

Definitions change, are deleted or added with popularity of use over time. Race is a common term and the basic definition is accepted by MOST and is used by most to mean exactly what is implied. Partial truths and trying to skirt and issue through strawman arguments outs those who are emotional, rather than rational.

BLM is a racist organization, period!

Your response doesn't convince me at all @notconvinced ;-)

If one doesn't want to be discriminated against because if the color of their skin, they shouldn't only advocate for a specific color.

This must be the dumbest thing I've read in a good while now. Read my response to @stayoutoftherz; there's no dispute about the existence of race as a cultural phenomenon. It's the racists who try to make it a biological or inherited phenomenon when they claim, often with the use of "big words", that blacks are inherently more violent that whites, or that their IQ is inherently lower. This, and the obvious systemic discrimination against them, is what BLM fights against. If you believe that makes them racist, I have no words left for you because you evidently drank the cool-aid that mistakenly makes you believe that you're "red-pilled".

Lol, since you decided to choose only one point out of many and replied emotionally, rather than logically, I see it is you that drank the kool-aid(correct spelling).

As for your rebuttal, I too am not convinced of your stance. We are all victims of life as well as the system and no one deserves special help.

There is not a bias! You've already seen the numbers that matter, but choose to ignore them. If a neighborhood is full of crime, especially violent crimes the police will be there more, period. This is the case?

How do I know? I grew up in the hood,lived in suburbia and out in the sticks, was taken from my home by the state at 12yrs old and have a prison number. I've lived it, but I'll bet you haven't...

Next time, address 'race' as it is used, rather than cherry-picking to conform to your bias.

Good day😀

There is not a bias! You've already seen the numbers that matter, but choose to ignore them. If a neighborhood is full of crime, especially violent crimes the police will be there more, period. This is the case?

By no means do I ignore statistics, but I also don't ignore the circumstances under which these statistics are measured. If a neighborhood is full of crime, the first question that comes to mind is "why?" Read my response to @akumagai, maybe that'll help. Fact is that, certainly in urban settings, poor neighborhoods have more crime. Fact is that of those neighborhoods many inhabitants are black. There's no question, no mystery here; there is a bias.

How do I know? I grew up in the hood,lived in suburbia and out in the sticks, was taken from my home by the state at 12yrs old and have a prison number. I've lived it, but I'll bet you haven't...

Yet another logical fallacy; your personal experience is in no way a valid argument, as it's anecdotal "evidence", which is to say no evidence at all. All the real evidence, statistics and countless studies into the subject matter, points to the validity of the arguments I've already given.

Next time, address 'race' as it is used, rather than cherry-picking to conform to your bias.

That's exactly what you're doing here. I on the other hand choose to use "race", especially in a post about "race", in the correct way.

If you haven't lived it, you cannot validate which numbers or the explanations for those numbers correlate to your biases and which ones are truly relevent.

Have a great day😀

If you haven't lived it...

Blah blah... Again; that's not an argument, not a valid one at least. And who says I haven't lived it? Not that it would matter either way, but you seem to yet again jump to conclusions you can't substantiate.

Lol, I offered a probability, which you pretty much confirmed.😀

Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organisation run by human traffickers at the DNC and Nazi collaborator George soros and Media Matters. Antifa and black Lives Matter are interchangeable. Black Lives Matter is state sponsored terrorism which supports looting, beating random white people, and the total destruction of black businesses and neighborhoods.

One minute they chant "I can't breathe." Then the next minute they chant "No borders no walls, no USA at all." They brandish weapons at people and beat people almost to death. Not to mention all the actual deaths like the two black people killed at SEATTLE CHOPS.

The idea that every white person is racist is laughable. The idea that black Lives Matters isn't terrorism is laughable.

Look how the media hides videos of antifa and BLM violently beating white women, looting stores and burning down homeless camps. Look how no one mentions the gun stores robbed by criminal thugs. No one mentions the communism ties to BLM.

black lives matter = leftist extremists.

Wow, we have an authentic neo-Nazi on our hands here. Foil any imaginary Jewish conspiracies lately?

"race" is a social construct; there's no gene or cluster of genes common to all blacks or all whites.

Sorry to disappoint you but races do exist. The definition of race does not require a specific gene present in 100% of its representants or exclude having broad differences within a race. When you say there is "more genetic variation between two black people from different African countries than there is between a black and white person" you forget one thing: How you can quantify these differences? It was only possible because first YOU subgrouped the people into those races you later deem as non-existing. A logical flaw.
They exist, but this of course does not say that one is better than the other.
Denying their existence is like denying that there are women and men and that gender is a social construct. Scientifically hopeless.

Don't worry my friend; you're not disappointing me at all. Sorry to disappoint you there ;-) You're arguing against a straw man here; I never claimed that race doesn't exist. It seems like you're having trouble separating biological facts from social and cultural constructs, not only on the race issue, but on the sex / gender issue as well. Men and Women exist; that's a biological fact. What gender one identifies with is a whole different story; transgenders are born one sex, but can identify as the other, sometimes even as a-sexual or something in between. That's also fact, albeit not biological. If you can't differentiate between the two, as may be the case with some religious fundamentalists, you're simply contradicting scientific facts and resort to calling transgenders "crazy people" or "sick people" who need to be "cured" from their "disease"... I'm not saying this applies to you personally though, it's just that this response concerns me because I can understand it either way...

Let´s leave the gender topic for another time, this is too complex to answer you in a sentence, you are right that sex and gender are two things, I didn´t want to deny it.
I was just referring to your statement that races are "social constructs". Are you telling now you didn´t mean it and that races do exist?

Are you telling now you didn´t mean it and that races do exist?

No. I purposefully included the gender topic to show the fallacy in your reasoning, and you're repeating the same fallacy here. I'm saying that races exist as social constructs, not as biological entities. It's that simple. Unlike with gender and sex; those can and do exist alongside each other.

You are also repeating you dogmas (that races exist as social constructs, not as biological entities), but without any reasoning/argumentation. In my initial reply I gave an argument which you happened to just ignore.
Sorry, but as long as you can´t explain WHY races should in humans not exist biologically whereby in all other animals they do exist, I can´t take you serious. Do you think there was no evolution or that once mankind was there biology stopped to work? Why we should be different than other beings?
I know the word "race" is terribly bad connotated, and this is why people don´t want it for humans, so think about the concept as "population groups". Maybe you accept then the scientific facts better and won´t be triggered by the word.

Wow. This is supposed to convince me? About what? You could have just posted one of Candace Owens' rants if you wanted to show a black person being wrong about BLM. Maybe I can give you an analogy to show you how wrong you and this nice old lady are...

Say there's this island, and it's a country as well, let's call it Lemuria. For whatever reason, the world's biggest economic powerhouses decide to economically sanction Lemuria by excluding it from all sorts of trade through tariffs, embargo's and so on; no more access to food, medicine or other essential goods. What will happen to the Lemurians you think? They would hoard what little food and medicine there is for themselves, they will fight among each other for these scarce resources. Their kids wouldn't go to school anymore but take jobs or join gangs. And let's say the economical powerhouses of the world would see this all happening. They would point at Lemuria and the Lemurians and say: see how barbaric they are, how they murder and pillage each other... Those beasts don't deserve our help!

This nice old lady is a Lemurian, and you're the economic powerhouse pointing at her and BLM, conveniently forgetting you were the one to put them in their dire situation in the first place... Get it?

No, there is no convincing stupidity and ideological fanaticism.

Am just here to make sure you don't convince anyone into your anarchic view point.

No, there is no convincing stupidity and ideological fanaticism.

Indeed, there is not.

Am just here to make sure you don't convince anyone into your anarchic view point.

I think you might be overestimating my ability to convince anyone, as well as your own I might add ;-)

The very instance you quote my response goes to show my presence and voice is heard by you.
Hey maybe one day you will wake up and realise when you open your mouth only stupidity comes out.
Again your caucasian guilt is just your driving force in writing these anarchic ideas.
Or I could be wrong and really the reason you do these is because you have lost your spot at the top of the race game.

Black lives matter is a marxist army of the far-left.

That's a claim @tonygreene113, a desperately misinformed one at that. I see no argument, just this nebulous claim. Do you have any arguments to substantiate the claim?

If the blm isn't a left wing group then why are they fundraising for democrat candidates?

Still no argument in sight, and I never refuted your claim that BLM is a left wing group. However, you called them something else entirely: "a marxist army of the far-left." Probably to justify the extremist right wing reaction by alt-right neo-fascists. If not, try convincing me by making a real case for your claim.

On their website they claim to be hardcore marxists bent on desecrating the capitalist economy of the United States.

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