Some Misconceptions about Meditation and Reincarnation among Westerners

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The more I learn - modestly - about Buddhism and Zen meditation, the more I realize the strange and erroneous interpretations of my fellow citizens.

The first thing that almost always comes up in my interlocutor's mouth when I talk about meditation is: "But I can't stop thinking". Indeed, one cannot in my opinion oblige the brain to stop its connections, from one thing to another, from one subject to another. What we can do, on the other hand, is not to go off into each reflection that it seems to offer us one after the other. My brain often appears to me as a loom, assembling threads of varying lengths, thicknesses and types. But the fact remains that all these threads are only segments and when I meditate, what I am looking for is a straight line, something that has no beginning and no end.

So a word of advice : don't get attached to your thoughts, let them flow without any desire for understanding or reflection and above all, use the string of your breath as your guide and central pillar.

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Another mistake, in my opinion, is to consider the practice of meditation with the aim of... in order to... We are far too accustomed in the West to having goals, whether they are those that we set for ourselves or those that we give ourselves as horizons.

Yet, just as in the journey on the Way, in a journey, it is the journey that is important and primordial and not the end, the final arrival. Do not meditate "for something". Meditate, that is all. All the free things have become frightening today for many people. But on the contrary, enjoy it ! Because in this world where the capitalist manages to sell a T-shirt with a symbol to an anarchist, you have to use every bit of freedom, individual or collective !

Of course, meditating will do you good. Your brain will probably work better and you will be more efficient at work. In your relations of the everyday life... Your breath will be improved and it is so much better! But it cannot be for these reasons that you start to meditate, these "reasons" are the simple results of the practice, but if you meditate "well" you will understand that quickly !

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The third thing that comes up very often in my exchanges, this time more on the subject of reincarnations and other lives, past and future, is the fact that at the same time, most of them seem not to believe in the principle of karma and reincarnation. But at the same time, it excites them to know that they could have previous and future lives...

The funny thing is that when you look into it, the whole point of reincarnation is that it stops. That this cycle of deaths and births stops and that we are thus freed from these attachments.

But it seems that Westerners (an overwhelming majority) do not see it that way... If you have any stories or memories about this, I would be delighted if you could share them with us !

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That's about it for these few embryonic morning reflections! I've been meaning to write this little text for a few days now, I'm putting it down here, for you and for myself, so that I can go back and look for it in a month, a year or maybe never and then compare my opinions or feelings then with those of the present !

I hope that this has given you the desire to meditate and learn more about the subject! Thank you for reading and have a good day.

Take care of yourself and your loved ones <3

@anttn

As a bonus below, a picture of my 'zafu' my meditation cushion that I made a few years ago :)



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Plus j'en apprends - modestement - sur le Bouddhisme et la méditation zen, plus je me rends compte des interprétations étranges et erronées de de mes concitoyens.

La première chose qui revient toujours ou presque dans la bouche de mon interlocuteur, lorsque je parle de méditer, c'est : "Mais moi, je ne peux pas m'arrêter de penser". En effet, on ne peut en mon sens obliger le cerveau à stopper ses connexions et ses mises en relations, d'une chose à une autre, d'un sujet à un autre. Ce que l'on peut faire en revanche, c'est ne pas partir dans chaque reflexion qu'il semble nous proposer l'une après les autres. Mon cerveau m'apparaît souvent selon l'image d'un métier à tisser et qui assemblerait des fils plus ou moins longs, épais ou de natures différentes. Mais il n'en reste pas moins que tous ces fils ne sont que des segments et lorsque je médite, ce que je cherche, c'est une droite, quelque chose qui n'a ni début ni fin.

Un conseil donc, ne vous attachez pas à vos pensées, laissez les couler sans volonté de compréhension ni de réflexion et surtout, utilisez la corde de votre respiration comme guide et pilier central.

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Une autre erreur à mon avis, c'est de considérer la pratique de la méditation dans l'objectif de... dans le but de... Nous sommes bien trop habitués en Occident à avoir des buts, que cela soient ceux que l'on nous fixe ou que nous nous donnons comme horizons.

Pourtant, tout comme lors du cheminement sur la Voie, d'un voyage, c'est le trajet qui est important et primordial et non la fin, l'arrivée finale. Ne méditez pas "pour quelques chose". Méditez, c'est tout. Toutes les choses gratuites sont devenues effrayantes aujourd'hui pour bon nombre de personne. Mais au contraire, profitez-en ! Car dans ce monde ou le capitaliste parviens à vendre un tee-shirt à symbole à un anarchiste, il faut utiliser chaque recoin de liberté, individuelle ou collective !

Bien-sûr, méditer vous ferra du bien. Au cerveau, il fonctionnera sans doute mieux et vous serez plus efficace au travail. Dans vos relations de la vie de tous les jours... Votre souffle sera amélioré et c'est tant mieux ! Mais ce ne peut être pour ces raisons que vous vous mettez à méditer, ces "raisons" sont les simples résultantes de la pratique, mais si vous méditez "bien" vous comprendrez cela bien vite !

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La troisième chose qui revient très souvent dans mes échanges, cette fois plus sur le sujet des réincarnations et des autres vies, antérieures et postérieures, c'est le fait qu'à la fois, la plupart semblent ne pas croire au principe de karma et de réincarnation. Mais dans le même temps, cela les excite de savoir qu'ils pourraient avoir des vies précédentes et d'autres futures...

Ce qui est amusant au fond c'est que lorsque vous vous intéressez d'un peu plus près à tout cela, c'est que le but même de la réincarnation, c'est qu'elle s'arrête. Que ce cycle de morts et de naissances s'arrête et que l'on soit ainsi délivré de ces attachements.

Mais il semble que les Occidentaux (une écrasante majorité) ne l'entende pas de cette oreille... Si vous avez vous même des récits ou souvenirs à ce sujet, je serai ravi que vous les partagiez avec nous !

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Voilà c'est à peu près tout pour ces quelques embryons de reflexions matinales ! Je voulais écrire ce petit texte depuis quelques jours, je poser ici, pour vous et pour moi afin de pouvoir aller le chercher à l'envie dans un mois, un an ou peut-être jamais et alors comparer mes avis ou sentiments d'alors avec ceux du présent !

J'espère que cela vous aura donné envie de méditer et d'en apprendre plus sur le sujet ! Merci pour votre lecture et bonne journée à tous.

Prenez soin de vous et de vos proches <3

@anttn

En prime ci-dessous, un image de mon 'zafu' mon coussin de méditation que j'ai fait il y a quelques années :)



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After intense study, processing, yoga, adaption of lessons learned in meditation and other forms of healing - I recalled some past life information. I did receive some important nudges about balance and self from my study of zen teachings. I also now understand that there has been many gross distortions in people's perception of karma - which is part of why people reject traditional thinking. Karma is not a 'balance of payments' nor anything to do with being judged as 'good' or 'bad'.

Karma is a magnetically induced process of drawing experiences that trigger change towards balance. It is functionally, to us, a process of acquiring opportunities for experience from which to learn how to be more balanced.

Reincarnation is a temporary way to deal with the problem of death, it absolutely needs to be ended as soon as possible. However, the correct understandings and tools for doing that have not been available until relatively recently. Ending reincarnation is evidenced by the absence of physical death - the body from Earth will transform into higher frequency energy, not be left behind as a corpse.

Yes, that's exactly it, we can feel through your words that you have experienced this and acquired new ways of seeing things and seizing these opportunities you talk about !

Karma is a magnetically induced process of drawing experiences that trigger change towards balance. It is functionally, to us, a process of acquiring opportunities for experience from which to learn how to be more balanced.

I do see it more like this, even if it was not the case years ago, at the beginning of my journey... I'm really interested in what you say about reincarnation, I'd love to learn more. Do you have any books or other information to recommend?

I wish you to have a good weekend and thank you for this high standard comment !

Thankyou, you we are welcome - I am always glad to share on these topics.

I don't have much time to talk at the moment, for a long list of reasons. However, having read hundreds of books, I can recommend the following:

  • The 'Right Use of Will' book series. This is by FAR the most complete and powerful information I know of on any topic. It just happens to also be about healing self, including a full history of the creation of this universe and basically a manual for healing issues you don't even know you have. Few people will read this but I assure you that the core ideas work. The author also wrote another book called 'Feelings matter' which is equally important, but easier to read through.

  • 'Destiny of Souls' and 'Journey of Souls' by Dr. Michael Newton. 2000+ regressions of people in a professional way in his career - with a focus on learning about 'lives between lives' is very insightful.

  • Initiation by Elisabeth Haisch. She recalls genuine past lives and explains how a particular life in ancient Egypt which involved various rituals, led to her later lives all being hellish. It's valuable to understand and see how events in one life can influence others.

  • The Oversoul 7 series. It's been a while since I read these, but they also show how lives intermesh and affect each other.

Yeah, I can imagine the time pressure :)

Thanks you a lot for that list of books and the descriptions you made about ! I will start digging...

I think you may already know this one, the reading experience is terrible - from a literature point of view - but it’s an awesome and complete explanation of the Buddha words, it’s the Treaty of the Middle Way by Nagarjuna ! Read it about one year ago and it is definitely in my top five or three books ever !

Thanks you again, I wish you a nice week ahead, take care

Thankyou, I appreciate it. I wish you well too! <3

So a word of advice: don't get attached to your thoughts, let them flow without any desire for understanding or reflection, and above all, use the string of your breath as your guide and central pillar.

We are far too accustomed in the West to having goals, whether they are those that we set for ourselves or those that we give ourselves as horizons.

That's great advice, and what you say about goals is so very true.

Meditation for me just came about naturally after doing Yoga and Qi Gong for some time. I never made any conscious effort though, it just happened, and now I can meditate anywhere, at any time 🙏

hi, you exactly catch my lifestyle only thing I don't do is Qi Gong I just do yoga and pranayam. As you told I can meditate any time everywhere. even during my duties. Have a nice weekend. greetings.❤️😊

hehe, so with @hindavi, we’re already three :)

I feel quite the same as you say... just didn’t practice Yoga as much as Taichi :) but now, I can indeed meditate anywhere and anytime !

Thanks you for sharing too and joining the collective reflection 😉

Have a sweet weekend ✌🏼☀️

Meditation is something that happens naturally to us most times and at those times when we fall into meditation, we realize that we are either inspired to do something different or we become more confident, it's mostly something positive but negative at times.

Sometimes we as humans subject ourselves to things that later starts becoming a problem to us and that is why I will love to take the advise you have given, not to be too rigid.

By the way, I do love your cushion, it looks really soft and beautiful.

Yes, the brain produces these states very frequently, without us sometimes being aware of it, but it is always nice in a way to be aware of it !

Flexibility is indeed essential, even if it does not prevent us from being firm on our principles... On what is acceptable and what is not !

Ah thanks :D I had found the sewing pattern on the internet, if you search with zafu, you should find a good one!

Thanks for your comment, I wish you a very good weekend :)

Take care of you 🌟

Yes, knowing these things help us even more in knowing ourselves better.

Hmm, that's true, we can be flexible but still hold on to what we know is right.

Oh wow, that's nice, I think I will need to try making some soon and see how it goes, hehe. Thank you so much for sharing this with me friend 🙏.

It's always my pleasure to be here, I've learned once more and I will love to learn more 🥰.

I will friend, you too and I hope you are doing well 🤗.

Hehe, you’re welcome 😉

It’s a great motivation to learn more individually as collectively in the idea to share more..!

This weekend was full of good times and relaxing moments and I hope the same for you :)

Ready for the coming week !

btw, I’ve seen the article where you mentioned me, still need to read it... today 🍀 !

It's so good to know that you had a good weekend and I'm happy to hear that you rested well, I'm very sure this week will be better for you friend. I did had a stressful weekend though 😏.

Yes I did, I hope you don't mind, I will be waiting to get a comment from you then 🥰.

Hi, anttn very nice post. nice to know what you thinking about meditations. I had very good experiences with westerners about what they think about. but don't want to talk about. I just do my good karma and it brings me to my meditative state. for that, I don't need to do something special. but nobody believes it Only my husband knew and he is always the same way does his meditation as soon as gets in the positive vibrations we achieve our goal. But you have nice thought one day we have to meet I think this is one reincarnation effect to find some people who link to our energy or we said link waves. have a nice weekend don't work hard. take care. Greetings😊

Hi @hindavi ! Thanks you for your input here, really appreciated :)

I had very good experiences with westerners about what they think about.

I had super interesting too, but many have a biased views, probably a deep or not real interest about this...

But you have nice thought one day we have to meet

Yes, I would love that :)

Thanks you again for sharing your views, your the one from I would expect an answer so I'm fulfilled !

Promise, I take good rest this weekend and I hope you too !

Truly enlightening I'll confess
I do meditate, but I don't just meditate I put a result I'm yet to achieve before meditating and I just learnt from you it's not Ideal and i see great sense in this content

I'll keep sending the positive energy and continue receiving from the universe... Thanks for sharing ✌️❤️

This a long and rewardfull journey ! Indeed, if you practiced a lot, meditation moments come quite easily !

Thanks you for those positive flows of energy ! Sending some to you too :)

Have a great weekend !

Thanks allot, you too
Have a memorable weekend

Je crois, en tant que Wiccan, à la réincarnation.
Par contre, j'aimerais me souvenirs des antérieures ... et je ne pense pas être pressé que cela s'arrête :-)

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Oui, je comprends ! Je serai curieux aussi, mais sans pression ni volonté que cela détermine ma vie actuelle... puisque j’imagine que c’est déjà le cas sans que je le sache vraiment :)

Merci pour ton support, je vais déléguer à la Taverne, j’y pensais depuis quelques temps !

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The funny thing is that when you look into it, the whole point of reincarnation is that it stops. That this cycle of deaths and births stops and that we are thus freed from these attachments.

What happens next? I can only imagine that life is a training ground for something bigger...

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What happens next? I can only imagine that life is a training ground for something bigger...

It’s indeed a bit that..! for me, when achieving enlightenment, we change of nature, our soul perdure, without a charnel body ! You can read Ura’s comment, he said it with better words !

I hope you’re doing well and that you’ll have a good weekend 🌱

I'm well thanks :) ... But I have to wonder, would we really enjoy being pure energy???

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hope all is well.

Everything is just going well :)

And you ?

Do take care 🍀

Une lecture interessante pour ce matin. Comme tu peux t'en douter, ce genre de choses n'est pas trop mon truc. Je n'ai en fait pas d'avis (juste peu d'interets personnels). Apres, je concois tres bien que c'est utile pour d'autres et apprecie par d'autres. Il n'y a aucune contradiction ici (il faut de tout pour faire un monde) :)

Oui, je le conçois parfaitement ! Je pensais justement à des gens qui raisonnent comme j’imagine que tu peux le faire... Ce qui m’intéresse, c’est que je me situe à la frontière de ces différents mondes, réel, spirituel et cartésien ... avec une bonne dose de scepticisme aussi !

Content que cela t’ai plût :)

Bonne journée à toi, à bientôt ✌🏼

tu es plus disponible un jour de la semaine en particulier ?

Cette semaine me semble compliquee vu qu'elle est quasi finie... La prochaine, j'ai un peu de temps jeudi et vendredi.

Oui, là ça me semble compliqué en effet 😅 ! On se tient au courant, peut-être vendredi pour moi aussi, et sinon la suivante :)

Bon week-end à toi et à la famille !

Oui la suivante ca sera plus simple :) Je serai aussi la samedi pour une conference grand public, car c'est la Fete de la Science cette semaine !

oui, sûrement plus simple aussi :)

Ah, ça m’intéresse ! Où fais-tu cette conférence ?

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

You’re welcome 😉 I’m glad you enjoyed it ! Have an enjoyable weekend ☀️

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