The Decentralized Hive Fund was built by @blocktrades on the Steem blockchain with little community discussion, and was funded with >= $50,000 by Steem Inc
With the exception of one proposal by PeakD that has been acquiring votes since October of 2019(and is advertised on one of the two places to check proposals) there are no proposals funded with out @blocktrades support.
For reference:
- The return Proposal has 21,457,328.535 HP voting for it.
- The next proposal to achieve funding(with @blocktrades support) has 17,571,943.687 HP and has been collecting votes since April 2020.
- The next proposal to achieve funding(without @blocktrades support) has 15,433,304.105 HP and has been collecting votes for 1 month.
Below I've included all accounts voting for the return proposal with more than 10K HP
@blocktrades 7,598,556.211 HP + 550,072.433 HP (proxy)
@smooth 23.316 HP + 2,831,943.146 HP (proxy)
@encrypt3dbr0k3r 2,013,045.579 HP
@therealwolf 533,923.745 HP + 670,755.399 HP (proxy)
All accounts below this point don't have the same power as Blocktrades
If every account below this point were to stop supporting the return proposal, the next non-blocktrades-supported proposal would squeeze by with 23,000 HP.
@themarkymark 742,451.440 HP + 225,335.766 HP (proxy)
@neoxian 424,741.044 HP + 7,790.542 HP (proxy)
@eturnerx 123,688.417 HP + 171,645.712 HP (proxy)
@dcityrewards 278,479.567 HP
@steem.leo 20,731.432 HP + 231,108.556 HP (proxy)
@jrcornel 242,498.454 HP + 6,576.303 HP (proxy)
@shaka 100,379.508 HP + 86,801.854 HP (proxy)
@oliverschmid 145,316.372 HP + 25,915.188 HP (proxy)
@ausbitbank 78,732.513 HP + 90,452.852 HP (proxy)
@pfunk 145,758.237 HP + 9,574.202 HP (proxy)
@kennyskitchen 3,813.901 HP + 142,677.556 HP (proxy)
@stoodkev 134,388.205 HP + 3,130.173 HP (proxy)
@heimindanger 10,314.990 HP + 120,341.213 HP (proxy)
@d-pend 118,899.036 HP + 7,566.778 HP (proxy)
@justtryme90 113,819.617 HP + 10,743.309 HP (proxy)
@pouchon 122,002.508 HP
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 118,499.516 HP
@steevc 59,603.565 HP + 58,021.220 HP (proxy)
@reazuliqbal 7,835.403 HP + 103,512.533 HP (proxy)
@emrebeyler 94,938.803 HP + 14,315.964 HP (proxy)
@edicted 107,230.328 HP + 971.491 HP (proxy)
@holoz0r 21,066.111 HP + 86,244.904 HP (proxy)
@krnel 100,497.194 HP + 43.850 HP (proxy)
@ecoinstant 74,030.180 HP + 24,623.269 HP (proxy)
@timcliff 92,782.663 HP + 330.010 HP (proxy)
@howo 81,020.932 HP
@asgarth 80,985.413 HP
@isaria 77,652.429 HP + 395.730 HP (proxy)
@atma.love 76,894.981 HP
@liondani 69,167.075 HP + 21.336 HP (proxy)
@tobetada 69,023.809 HP
@jlsplatts 49,550.012 HP + 18,276.871 HP (proxy)
@meesterboom 61,961.748 HP + 3,682.619 HP (proxy)
@marki99 63,389.014 HP
@thebluewin 50,804.339 HP + 11,619.615 HP (proxy)
@forykw 55,762.129 HP + 262.479 HP (proxy)
@cryptospa 54,191.067 HP
@daltono 53,834.467 HP
@showerthoughts 0 HP + 53,828.851 HP (proxy)
@hope-on-fire 45,086.362 HP
@chronocrypto 44,879.632 HP
@prameshtyagi 611.872 HP + 43,567.817 HP (proxy)
@geekgirl 43,266.673 HP + 9.040 HP (proxy)
@russia-btc 42,226.687 HP
@mindtrap 41,304.818 HP + 99.376 HP (proxy)
@crimsonclad 35,389.009 HP + 28.951 HP (proxy)
@blockbrothers 95.204 HP + 34,644.089 HP (proxy)
@erikah 33,934.658 HP + 347.843 HP (proxy)
@mahdiyari 27,710.570 HP + 6,081.244 HP (proxy)
@gerber 29,461.643 HP
@v4vapid 23,963.543 HP + 4,849.596 HP (proxy)
@fredrikaa 28,023.021 HP
@drakos 27,823.231 HP
@ew-and-patterns 27,746.971 HP
@trumpman 27,575.464 HP
@roleerob 17,463.234 HP + 10,005.282 HP (proxy)
@digital-wisdom 27,082.898 HP
@originate 26,793.540 HP + 5.365 HP (proxy)
@felander 20,850.201 HP + 5,830.778 HP (proxy)
@thekittygirl 16,915.809 HP + 9,565.222 HP (proxy)
@roomservice 26,367.173 HP
@lynds 23,914.850 HP
@bluesniper 21,644.282 HP
@aliento 7,177.220 HP + 13,906.978 HP (proxy)
@bala41288 20,103.839 HP + 71.829 HP (proxy)
@dalz 19,803.409 HP
@matheusggr 19,543.101 HP
@imisstheoldkanye 19,529.151 HP
@pastzam 18,037.062 HP
@resiliencia 17,589.823 HP
@techslut 15,823.024 HP + 1,118.740 HP (proxy)
@lordbutterfly 16,071.221 HP
@techcoderx 5,364.447 HP + 10,384.009 HP (proxy)
@crokkon 10,578.602 HP + 4,450.646 HP (proxy)
@edje 14,408.371 HP
@proxy.token 0 HP + 13,980.886 HP (proxy)
@samotonakatoshi 13,796.382 HP + 63.575 HP (proxy)
@steem-hodler 13,321.307 HP
@doze 12,150.479 HP + 670.617 HP (proxy)
@immanuel94 9,714.459 HP + 2,832.658 HP (proxy)
@empoderat 10,802.052 HP + 1,694.491 HP (proxy)
@eroche 12,394.962 HP
@urun 12,304.502 HP
@rubencress 11,502.226 HP
@rishi556 2,968.876 HP + 8,357.140 HP (proxy)
@syedumair 10,162.922 HP + 1,052.071 HP (proxy)
@theb0red1 11,169.414 HP
@chromiumone 10,804.136 HP
@jelly13 10,652.590 HP
@sgt-dan 10,314.403 HP + 5.943 HP (proxy)
@harpagon 10,075.398 HP
@abrockman 10,039.436 HP
Many of the people in this list would rather not see DAO funding for much of anything. But I just wanted to clarify how "decentralized" the Hive DAO is. It's very nearly in the hands of 1 account. If you are voting for the return proposal, the best you can do to support a project is bring the vote balance back to zero by voting for both. I encourage everybody tagged to reconsider your support for proposals. With the current mechanics a vote for return is very nearly a vote for centralization.
A key tenet of Proof of Stake is not being able to control more than what you own. Much like a vote on Hive can't draw more inflation than that account has HP/Voting Power. With the current set up an account with roughly 3% of HP has very near complete control over 10% of inflation. I can only recommend an overhaul of this system so that votes are ranked choice, and influence on proposals is constrained in much the same way as other inflationary votes are... The witness voting system could use the same metrics, 30 full votes for 20 spots already caused enough issue that we had to fork our chain... but the powers that be just changed witness voting to a 30 day power up instead of giving up their centralized power.
A little about proposal 148 / 152
DLUX had the first VR Editor on any blockchain, beating Decentraland by 1 day.
Proposal 11 asked for support to build DeFi in September of 2019. Before Uniswap drew billions to ETH, or most people even knew what DeFi was. Yet it's still been impossible to find enough support here to draw from the DAO like Hive_keychain can do for ~40 lines of code per month.
Hive is carried by few enough exchanges that blocktrades feel comfortable drawing 3-30% fees for trading like this. Hive-Engine charges 1% fees each way and is so secure they lost 40K Hive just this month, and their P2P witness system won't prevent a similar loss. DeFi and non-custodial funds will makes these fees look even more ridiculous. It's known they've turned the return proposal here into "flagwars for grownups," at least they don't invite kids to the circle jerk.
Additional votes over 15 HP for information:
@iansart @steemitromney @eliel @rmach @mjhomb @stever82 @deathwing @lizanomadsoul @espoem @always1success @svamiva @kinakomochi @elevator09 @rehan12 @droida @jeanpi1908 @misslasvegas @gniksivart @vlemon @mstafford @free999enigma @nikv @bleepcoin @fbslo @danmaruschak @fjcalduch @tcpolymath @tabea @jasonshick @alaqrab @anfeng @yintercept @ackza @scubahead @kreur @doldrums @miniature-tiger @bhattg @penderis @victoriabsb @tsurmb @marc5 @markkujantunen @monster-one @downvoteme @fingersik @eirik @maruskina @hodlcommunity @okean123 @vintherinvest @rahul.stan @guruvaj @fusan @shoemanchu @hivetrending @shogo @paasz @jaydih @anonsteve @earlmonk @marius19 @woelfchen @greer184 @freddio @hdmed @flugschwein @notconvinced @wakeupkitty @sabari18 @khan.dayyanz @ykretz @coriolis @jotakrevs @shtup @tggr @forum.orcinorum @deviedev @pouchon.tribes @patrickulrich @atnazo @adamada @shawkr13 @juanmiguelsalas @johnhtims @aaronleang @steemvpn @tuck-fheman @fernandosoder @stemng @palasatenea @tinta-tertuang @hextech @bibop @freddio.sport @sk1920 @jrvacation @taintedblood @lion200 @captainklaus @diana.catherine @sisygoboom @btcvenom @remlaps @stemgeeks @lelon @dirapa @antiretroviral @justineh @maxsieg @likwid @ederaleng @zelegations @brosino @timhorton @virus707 @dorian-lee @abitcoinskeptic @lyndsaybowes @vxn666 @kharma.scribbles @bafi @kargul09 @cnvote @superoo7 @lebin @stuffbyspencer @diosbot @scorer @sudutpandang @slowwalker @lauchmelder @drfk @karenmckersie @bobskibob @bigbanginfinity @abojasim880 @flaws @cryptopassion @talhasch @cerberus-dji @hightouch @cyberjz @bro.poker @alexbiojs @scrawly @briggsy @asd5710 @alphahippie @grimgriz @pervitin @manishmike10 @brayandeltoro @sekseos @bongje @butovets @cryptoctopus @jini-zzang @crypticat @lovelyyeon.sct @twirllinks @diamond-head
I specifically don't vote on the return proposal because it has far to much hp on it already. The bar is set waaaay to high, it's like we're afraid to spend money.
Agree. The Return Proposal sets way too high a bar.
Personally the return proposal really only needs to be as high as the highest hive holders HP + a nice buffer, that way it still prevents whales from solo milking the DHF or colluding with a few others.
Thank your writing this.
We’re too early with DAO and I’m sure things will improve with time.
HIVE needs few new whales 🐳
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Removed my vote. Hope your proposal makes it into funding.
i kinda just learned about it few weeks ago, and it is a bit over my head of how it works and what it is. And i listen it on Crim's show and watch an interview yesterday.
is there an explanation for "as i am 5" people?
peakd is 6mil about the return, so it is possible. not easy but possible.
PeakD has votes from before Steem / Hive Split. There are people supporting that proposal that have never even posted on Hive. Given the split and how the community went in two different directions it might not be possible any longer. 15 months is a long time, and as stated, they have special section on their site for their proposal.
Imagine trying to vote for a third party president, you may have 5% of the vote, but you'll never have 5% of the power. It's winner take all.
could be, i did not look at it.
i am just saying, maybe you can't get it funded but try to show it to more people, and do it as we are all 5 :D i just seen the 360 linked pages, but i even don't know why is it cool. it is interesting but we are stupid, we need to see why is it cool :D
the swap dex or what ever is it called, that i also don't understand what is this doing. I sure did not do a lot of research, but i don't need it ( i don't know that i need it), and i don't have tech knowledge. and if i did not hear you on cyberbuzz i would probably not even know about it, because i would not be looking for it.
It's really hard to explain these things and why they are needed. Most people don't know how dollars work, they don't know how facebook works, they don't know how a computer works.
Have you seen Ready Player One? There is this big corporation IOI that tries to take over the VR space where everybody spends their time. Facebook has kinda done that already. Non-custodial exchanges like DeFi on ethereum side-step a lot of expensive regulation by being information asymetric, which means everybody can have perfect knowledge of the workings, ETH also derives their trust from making every miner review everybody and performing all computations which is millions of times more expensive.
Most of the work I do here is just showing off what we can do "together" through code. And there I go, off in to the weeds about why or how something works. For instance, above I reference a post about blocktrades charging a 34% fee for swapping Hive for DOGE. If there was a DeFi exchange I wouldn't have to wonder where he is pulling his quotes from, or if I'm getting the best price by checking several different exchanges. That information would be more or less controlled by the accounts or groups fighting to get me DOGE for HIVE. It's a built in market and the biggest reason why billions have flowed into DeFi on ETH.
I would like to see posts about DLUX and your plans and update on them rather than this.
Oh? You've voted for any of my weekly updates or the proposals? Did you buy DLUX or in anyway support my project? I don't even see your vote on these:
https://peakd.com/defi/@disregardfiat/hdf2
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@disregardfiat/partnerships-and-media-gallore
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@disregardfiat/dlux-development-update-jan20
https://peakd.com/dlux/@disregardfiat/dlux-development-update-jan-15
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@disregardfiat/updates-on-the-generalized-dlux-open-token
People might be busy, sick, and sometimes dead.
Don't assume everybody is your enemy because you couldn't get their attention in a good way.
If you didn't get the support by posting 5 times, try posting 100 times.
What a truth there. I don't like spamming the whole chain and know this may be your first time hearing about my project. But it's live and has been for years. Check out what @hallman did with a 360 Picture Gallery. https://peakd.com/dlux/@hallmann/pandemiczny-krak-w-vr
This is my first time hearing about your project! I will take a look.
I second that.
No offense, @disregardfiat, but these rants won't help you.
None taken. The metric for success here is what the return proposal will look like and if the conversation can move into changes.
You are on the home straight.
The problem with the HPS is not that blocktrades dictates wich proposals get funded. The problem is that out of the ~143 million staked hive only a fraction cares enough to participate in governance.. You "only" need 21.5 million to get over the current threshold.
I don't think that complaining about not receiving support from the big accounts is a good strategy (it is what it is). Instead you may consider targeting the stake that is not participating. The combined stake of all of the "dolphin" accounts is enough to surpass the return proposal (for example).
The DHF works exactly like witness voting. We have more than enough posts talking about the problems there... they existed long before the DHF was proposed. This post highlights that issue. This post is also hoping that at least some people who vote for the return proposal would agree with me, which would make asking more dolphins and orcas that much easier. I haven't given up, and all my posts encourage stake holders to take a more active roll in on chain governance.
That's correct.
Blocktrades is doing us all a favour.
If your idea is really good, either it will naturally make money or Blocktrades will support it.
Well it seems like ideas that I executed or proposed here first have brought billions to Ethereum via Decentraland or DeFi. A trip down memory lane is Proposal 11, which proposed this same method for DeFi before anybody knew what it was on Ethereum. Meanwhile Hive has fallen about 10x relative to bitcoin in that time. On the other hand Blocktrades supports a lot of projects that bring little value right now as of course they've been unsuccessful in that time frame of doing anything but depressing the price. So I have to disagree with your assessment based on the state of the market.
Thanks for the mention. I specifically vote for the return proposal because I think too much value is lost for Hive through the proposal system. Beneficiaries are developers who already easily earn by programming with blockchains, with exchanges, from their stake and often advertising.
A lot of successful and lucrative projects were accomplished without the proposal system. They get already a lot of money from Hive.
Give 'em hell!
It's time things get shook up again, iyam.
If we don't like how the ruling cabal runs things here, we can always fork it.
With a little
luckproper preparation, we take enough folks with us to float.