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RE: Pain in my Ukraine

in LeoFinance2 years ago

Your post and trolling itself is no better or well-informed or unique than the tweeters and tiktokkers you seem to be indirectly accusing.

It's not special to look at a global phenomenon and think 'I'm going to be a contrarian' and then spout of opposing views and blaming, propaganda, imperialism and the USA for everything.

Here's another explanation: Most people in the West are in Europe and North America. Ukraine is part of Europe and thus in very close proximity to those people, and North America is a direct Ally, part of NATO and so on.

We have a shared culture, history, and economy, even with Ukraine, and as others mentioned, there is a huge economic connection there referring to gas pipelines etc.

There is more reason, therefore, to give a shit about Ukraine, than there is of say, Madagascar.

Just because people get on a bandwagon and share concerns about something that's happening doesn't mean we're all slaves to a system being pushed on us. Maybe it's just how it looks: Some news goes big, it gains traction, more people hear about it, more people care.

What's wrong with that? Are we going to have this contrarian discussion every time people have a shared concern about a thing? Because of course, there are so many other things going on at the same time, why aren't we paying attention to all of those simultaneously??

Even Chinese people often don't know about the Xinjiang situation in their own country. But when they learn about it, they express great concern - and fear for their own safety once they've heard it.

Are they wrong to have heard about a thing, too?

Let people give a shit about whatever they want, or if you want to troll, at least say something smart or funny.

I just grow tired of this need for people, typically conservative/right troll-wannabe types, to be different, even if that means being borderline sociopathic. 'Ooo, you don't give a shit about ISIS beheading and gutting people in the streets, you just want the nearest milkshake lol' Whatever. Try putting yourself in the firing line with a molotov in your hand and see if you can conjure up a contrary opinion then, as an ISIS extremist shoots you in the face, guts your insides and stones your family in front of your fading vision.

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It's not special to look at a global phenomenon and think 'I'm going to be a contrarian' and then spout of opposing views and blaming, propaganda, imperialism and the USA for everything.

Yep, this is the general take of libertarians and rightwingers right now.
"Its all CIA, its all imperialism."

Its a cynical and condescending view of the situation. "Ukranians cant want freedom, they cant want a better life that EU offers, they have no agency, theyre just fools that CIA and USA is using."

Its an absolute rubbish take by those that proclaim they stand for freedom and call themselves "freedom fighters" when they post shit online when someone bans Alex Jones.

When faced with people that are giving their lives for freedom, freedom of choice and association they just dont understand it. That ultimate sacrifice confuses them.

This pops the libertarian bubble and shows you that most of these people that slap the "Freedom" label on themselves are as consistent in their beliefs as the leftists are when they say theyre fighting fascism.

Hats off to those that dont align themselves with the mob, which ever side of the spectrum it might be on.

I just grow tired of this need for people, typically conservative/right troll-wannabe types, to be different, even if that means being borderline sociopathic.

Well said.

Yes, this is a totally rational reaction that doesn't fall into any of the traps that I described in the original post.

I'm curious as to which part of the post you think is trolling.
I've already done a follow up post to this post.
The backlash I got here was enough to go back and do some cursory research...
had to check in with two of the journalists I trust the most to report on things like these.
They're saying exactly the same shit I'm saying here.
It's not trolling.
My gut feeling on the matter is exactly what seasoned professionals who have infinitely more information than I do are saying. They aren't trolls they are all business. Perhaps you are the troll, telling me to go fight and die in a war before I'm allowed to make comments.

My gut feeling on the matter is exactly what seasoned professionals

What seasoned professionals and journalists are saying 'no one cares about Ukraine' with researched-based arguments? Sociologists maybe? Breitbart? Citation needed.

You literally state in this very post that you were trolling with a certain opinion, then continued with that opinion in this post. If you agree with your trolling, then you're not really trolling, you're just expressing your sociopathic opinions.

I get that you're setting a trap to make people butthurt, but I just think its tedious that you still think such a thing is somehow a valuable use of yours and anyone else's time, like you've contributed something because your views are so unique.

To be clear, I'm not talking about the entirety of your post. I can see you're otherwise talking and considering things. Just the 'troll' aspect near the top