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RE: THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE SOURCE OF OBJECTIVE FACTS

in LOGICZOMBIE3 years ago

HERE'S THE TEST:

https://8values.github.io/instructions.html

ANSWER CHEAT SHEET BELOW:

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=84.6&d=77.8&g=85.7&s=72.6

5 - Oppression by corporations is more of a concern than oppression by governments. - - BUT GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE DEFAULT SOLUTION.


5 - It is necessary for the government to intervene in the economy to protect consumers. - - IT IS CURRENTLY NECESSARY BUT NOT FUNDAMENTALLY NECESSARY.


0 - The freer the markets, the freer the people. - - WHAT WE CALL COMMONLY CALL "FREE MARKETS" IS CODE FOR PRO-CORPORATION AND IS NOT FREEDOM.


0 - It is better to maintain a balanced budget than to ensure welfare for all citizens. - - MONEY IS FUCKING MEANINGLESS.


5 - Publicly-funded research is more beneficial to the people than leaving it to the market. - - "PROPRIETARY SCIENCE" IS NOT REAL SCIENCE, IT IS ANTI-SCIENCE.


5 - Tariffs on international trade are important to encourage local production. - - LOCAL SELF-SUFFICIENCY IS PARAMOUNT.


5 - From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. - - JUST LIKE A FAMILY.


0 - It would be best if social programs were abolished in favor of private charity. - - PRIVATE CHARITIES (AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST) ARE 100% SCAMS.


5 - Taxes should be increased on the rich to provide for the poor. - - THOSE WHO BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THE CURRENT SYSTEM SHOULD CONTRIBUTE THE MOST.


0 - Inheritance is a legitimate form of wealth. - - WHY DID WE GET RID OF KINGS. DOES ANYONE REMEMBER KINGS?


5 - Basic utilities like roads and electricity should be publicly owned. - - COMMUNITY OWNED. NOT FEDERALLY OWNED.


5 - Government intervention is a threat to the economy. - - OF COURSE IT IS. A REAL "FREE MARKET" (FUNCTIONAL ECONOMY) IS THE OPPOSITE OF CENTRAL PLANNING.


0 - Those with a greater ability to pay should receive better healthcare. - - HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE DETERMINED BY PROXIMITY.


0 - Quality education is a right of all people. - - "EDUCATION" IS CODE FOR GLOBALIST BRAINWASHING.


5 - The means of production should belong to the workers who use them. - - ALL EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE PARTNERS.


5 - The United Nations should be abolished. - - BECAUSE IT'S A SCAM.


0 - Military action by our nation is often necessary to protect it. - - MILITARY ACTION OVERWHELMINGLY KILLS POOR PEOPLE. THIS IS A HISTORICAL FACT.


5 - I support regional unions, such as the European Union. - - IN THEORY ONLY. CONSENSUS GOVERNANCE AND NARROW SCOPE ARE MANDATORY.


5 - It is important to maintain our national sovereignty. - - AND TO RESPECT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF EVERY OTHER NATION ON PLANET EARTH.


0 - A united world government would be beneficial to mankind. - - IN THEORY ONLY. CONSENSUS GOVERNANCE AND NARROW SCOPE ARE MANDATORY.


5 - It is more important to retain peaceful relations than to further our strength. - - "STRENGTH" IS CODE FOR THEFT.


0 - Wars do not need to be justified to other countries. - - (IFF) WE EXPECT OTHER COUNTRIES TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES (THEN) WE MUST ALSO EXPLAIN OURSELVES.


5 - Military spending is a waste of money. - - 97% AGREE.


5 - International aid is a waste of money. - - 97% AGREE.


0 - My nation is great. - - I'D SAY "NOT BAD" BUT "GREAT" IS REALLY BEYOND THE PALE.


5 - Research should be conducted on an international scale. - - ALL SCIENCE SHOULD BE OPEN-SOURCED. THAT'S BASICALLY THE DEFINITION OF SCIENCE.


5 - Governments should be accountable to the international community. - - (IFF) WE EXPECT OTHER COUNTRIES TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES (THEN) WE MUST ALSO EXPLAIN OURSELVES.


0 - Even when protesting an authoritarian government, violence is not acceptable. - - YOU MUST ALWAYS ASK PERMISSION FROM THE GOVERNMENT BEFORE PROTESTING THE GOVERNMENT.


0 - My religious values should be spread as much as possible. - - ALL PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BELIEVE IN FLAT-EARTH QANON BIGFOOTLOCHNESSSPACEALIENS.


0 - Our nation's values should be spread as much as possible. - - RESPECT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF EVERY OTHER NATION ON PLANET EARTH.


5 - It is very important to maintain law and order. - - hOWevER, UNJUST LAWS SHOULD NEVER BE ENFORCED.


0 - The general populace makes poor decisions. - - THEY MIGHT SOMETIMES MAKE POOR MACRO DECISIONS BUT THEY GENERALLY MAKE MUCH BETTER MICRO DECISIONS (NOT TO MENTION, THIS QUESTION IS OBVIOUSLY ANTI-DEMOCRATIC).


5 - Physician-assisted suicide should be legal. - - PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY AND BODILY AUTONOMY AND MEDICAL PRIVACY ARE THE CORNERSTONE OF ETHICS.


0 - The sacrifice of some civil liberties is necessary to protect us from acts of terrorism. - - THAT'S WHAT YOUR 1984 KING WANTS YOU TO THINK.


5 - Government surveillance is necessary in the modern world. - - ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS SHOULD BE RECORDED 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.


5 - The very existence of the state is a threat to our liberty. - - THE CURRENT STATE IS A VILE THREAT. A SYSTEM THAT PROTECTS INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY SHOULD REPLACE IT.


0 - Regardless of political opinions, it is important to side with your country. - - WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?


5 - All authority should be questioned. - - OBVIOUSLY. OTHERWISE YOU CAN JUST DROP THE PRETENSE AND CALL IT A CULT.


0 - A hierarchical state is best. - - WE MUST DEMAND HOLACRACY +RCV.


0 - It is important that the government follows the majority opinion, even if it is wrong. - - CONSENSUS GOVERNANCE AND NARROW SCOPE ARE MANDATORY.


0 - The stronger the leadership, the better. - - DID YOU GET PERMISSION FROM YOUR 1984 KING BEFORE READING THIS? ALSO "STRONG" SHOULD NOT MEAN DICTATORIAL.


5 - Democracy is more than a decision-making process. - - IT'S A LIFESTYLE CHOICE!


5 - Environmental regulations are essential. - - THE TRAGEDY OF THE COMMONS MUST BE WIDELY UNDERSTOOD. FEDERAL STYLE LAWS ARE NOT THE SOLUTION (LOCAL "REGULATIONS" ARE ESSENTIAL).


0 - A better world will come from automation, science, and technology. - - NOPE. SCIENCE IS NOT MAGIC HEAVEN.


5 - Children should be educated in religious or traditional values. - - CHILDREN SHOULD LEARN THEIR VALUES FROM THEIR OWN FAMILIES. DO YOU CONSIDER "PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY" AND +proHUMAN "TRADITIONAL VALUES"?


5 - Traditions are of no value on their own. - - EACH "TRADITION" SHOULD BE EVALUATED ON ITS APPARENT UTILITY TO THE INDIVIDUAL ADOPTING IT.


0 - Religion should play a role in government. - - FUCK NO.


5 - Churches should be taxed the same way other institutions are taxed. - - TAXES SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYONE EQUALLY.


5 - Climate change is currently one of the greatest threats to our way of life. - - NOT JUST "CLIMATE CHANGE" BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY CORPORATE GARBAGE.


5 - It is important that we work as a united world to combat climate change. - - BY BOYCOTTING OUR 1984 CORPORATE KINGS (AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE).


5 - Society was better many years ago than it is now. - - YES. IN THE STONE AGE.


0 - It is important that we maintain the traditions of our past. - - NOT SIMPLY FOR THE SAKE OF HISTORICAL INERTIA.


5 - It is important that we think in the long term, beyond our lifespans. - - THINK OF THE CHILDREN TRAPPED IN 1984.


0 - Reason is more important than maintaining our culture. - - THIS QUESTION MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.


5 - Drug use should be legalized or decriminalized. - - YOU CAN'T TREAT ADULTS LIKE BABIES THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.


5 - Same-sex marriage should be legal. - - I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHY ANYONE (MUCH LESS THE GOVERNMENT) EVEN "NEEDS" TO KNOW WHO YOU LIVE WITH.


5 - No cultures are superior to others. - - WELL, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A 1984 STYLE FIEFDOM, I RESPECT THE PREFERENCES OF THOSE WHO DISAGREE.


0 - Sex outside marriage is immoral. - - ARE YOU INCLUDING SELF-LOVE? WHAT DOES "MORALITY" HAVE TO DO WITH "POLITICS"?


5 - If we accept migrants at all, it is important that they assimilate into our culture. - - THIS IS THE EXACT ARGUMENT THE GERMANS USED.


0 - Abortion should be prohibited in most or all cases. - - PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY AND BODILY AUTONOMY AND MEDICAL PRIVACY ARE THE CORNERSTONE OF ETHICS.


0 - Gun ownership should be prohibited for those without a valid reason. - - YOU CAN'T TREAT ADULTS LIKE BABIES THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.


5 - I support single-payer, universal healthcare. - - I DON'T SUPPORT THE IDEA OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GENERALLY, BUT UNTIL WE DISMANGLE IT, WE SHOULD AT LEAST TRY AND MAKE IT HELP PEOPLE INSTEAD OF ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY KILLING PEOPLE.


0 - Prostitution should be illegal. - - YOU CAN'T TREAT ADULTS LIKE BABIES THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.


5 - Maintaining family values is essential. - - 100% AGREE.


5 - To chase progress at all costs is dangerous. - - 100% AGREE.


0 - Genetic modification is a force for good, even on humans. - - SELECTIVE BREEDING IS TECHNICALLY "GENETIC MODIFICATION", HOWEVER I CHOOSE TO INTERPRET THIS QUESTION AS "CORPORATE GENETIC MODIFICATION" WHICH IS, DEMONSTRABLY EVIL.


5 - We should open our borders to immigration. - - A FREE-MARKET CAN ONLY FUNCTION WITH FREE MOVEMENT OF LABOR.


5 - Governments should be as concerned about foreigners as they are about their own citizens. - - THIS WORKS FOR BOTH "GOOD" AND "BAD" INTERPRETATIONS.


5 - All people - regardless of factors like culture or sexuality - should be treated equally. - - JUSTICE IS BLIND. NO MORE INDULGENCES FOR THE RICH.


0- It is important that we further my group's goals above all others. - - IF BY "GROUP" YOU MEAN THOSE WHO SHARE MY PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS AND BELIEFS, THEN "NO", AND IF BY "GROUP" YOU MEAN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, THEN "YES".


THESE RESULTS ARE NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY ACCURATE

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THESE RESULTS ARE NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY ACCURATE

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THOSE WHO BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THE CURRENT SYSTEM SHOULD CONTRIBUTE THE MOST

The "MOST" what exactly?

Two things.

1 - RECEIVING 'government' benefits, would qualify (under your opinion) for 'SHOULD CONTRIBUTE'.

2 - "Most"..... Most % of income? Or just most income? Most effort?

Are you saying that those that 'make more money' should pay a higher % tax, or just 'more money'? If you feel the latter, I agree.
If I were to institute a 'fair' tax, it would be a flat tax across the board. Like a sales tax, oh wait, we have one......the only one I can morally feel ok with....

What are all those other taxes again? Oh yeah, THEFT. Period. However, to be a FAIR THEFT, a flat tax is a must. 10% is 10% is 10% whether you make $1,000/year or $1,000,000,000/year.
The problem is 'special treatment'.

CORPORATE WELFARE DWARFS INDIGENT WELFARE.

 3 years ago (edited) 

Which Logical Fallacy is that response?

Refining the scope of the debate is not necessarily a logical fallacy.

Refining the scope of the debate is not necessarily a logical fallacy.

Correct, but if evading points that counter your logic? Could that fall under:

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I'm not arguing for any "exception".

I thought you were going for "tu quoque".

Haha nice. No but that is a fallacy I sure found worthy of writing about :)

https://peakd.com/logiczombie/@oldoneeye/what-s-the-most-annoying-logical-fallacy-in-relationships-to-you

Under Maritime, "The People" = A Corporation no?
"Person" = Corporate entity?

So then, you would be correct, but you evaded my #1 point, and evaded my #2 question/clarification.

I'm basing all of that on your "SHOULD CONTRIBUTE".
Beneficiaries of CORPORATE Welfare.........should contribute? And those that 'get the most' should contribute the most?

Can you drill down on my points, and address them?

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