Let me put forth my points in this discussion.
I completely understand a downvote if you don't agree to what I say in my post or if it is under plagiarism. Other than that, it is a misuse of power.
Regarding 50% beneficiary, you cannot judge my intention of why I am giving 50% beneficiary.
On hive, by default beneficiary is added, 3% Peakd, 1% tipU, 1% hiveonboard. Now if you say there is difference between 3%, 1%, and 50%, big and small.
But there is no difference, big or small is just a point of reference. If my post is receiving $10 and your's $200, my 50% is less than your 3% .
Whenever I have posted directly from hive.blog and not from eccency, I have kept all these beneficiary intact ( 3%,1%, 1% ), addition to 50%. No one can judge my intention of keeping beneficiaries.Taking about ecency and peakD, there is a feature of promoting or boosting the post, you have shell out hive to promote, I don't understand how is this different from setting beneficiary. Both ways I am shelling out my hive.
What if I want to promote every post of mine, I am setting up beneficiary. There is no limit on PeakD or Ecency how many post you can promote.
It is not right to consider your own way of doing things right and finding fault at other person doing. My intention are right.
Moreover, you are advertising it as vote selling/ self voting. I am neither selling vote ( I have delegated all my hive to tipU). And if you are calling self-voting, how it is different from promoting.
I am very new on HIVE, came here with a very clear and distinct mindset to grow a learning community of my own and to promote awareness about learning and education.
Don't call it as a SHAME, I don't give that right to anyone.Regarding ph-fund, I was not forced into this, I joined voluntarily. I am setting up beneficiary voluntarily.
Personal opinion, I don't like the curation trail at all, I have seen many posts, having big upvotes, but if I look at the comments, 0.
What does that mean?
The more the upvotes, the comments must be proportional.
P.S. If my intentions of using this platform is right, I don't fear of a downvote. Neither I give anyone the right to judge my intentions.
I'm already on the first point not interested in reading the rest, how have you never heard of disagreement of rewards and the addition of the 25% "free" downvote mana added into the blockchain on the EIP hardfork? There's way more reasons to downvote something than just disagreeing with what you're saying or plagiarism, the former is actually not even a good reason for it.
Thanks for updating that to me.
But, are you thinking of downvoting as per how the community is run or how I am using that community.
I am setting this beneficiary for a completely different reason for what you have said this beneficiary might be getting used for.
Consider it as a new user, trying to put forwarding his points.
lol mate, what other reason could you be giving them 50% of your potential post rewards for?
If you go with the ideology that ..... stealing a penny or stealing a car both is robbery...
Than the same holds true for.... setting 1% rewards for building a community or 50%.
I completely don't understand how people judge what is small or big.
Small or big never has a benchmark. It is only point of reference.
What other reason, let me share mine:
Awareness about the content ( more rewards, more reach )
Moreover, if I find something fishy, I would leave. Easy as it is.
Moreover, how can I believe that people are not doing the same ( which you are saying) by sending the amount from back channel ( directly from wallet )
Ex. Please don't set me as beneficiary but I will upvote your content and kindly share weekly fixed return back to me through wallet.
I just want to understand how this all is working.
Maybe just a language barrier of not getting it but setting the account as a beneficiary is circumventing the self voting routine and the authors that go along with it are tools for the scheme. If an author sets their post beneficiary to 100% to ph fund, then that post is 100% an extension of ph fund now and any votes go to the ph fund's wallet. Setting it at 50% just means it's 50% an extension of their wallet and a front excuse to to self vote.
I got your point and thanks for making me understand this. With due respect, I differ here, need a bit more clarification about "any votes"
"....and any votes go to the ph fund's wallet."
Now, talking about this "any vote", there is no "any vote" here, hardly receive "any vote" from outside the PH community, all the votes which I am receiving is from the PH community or the PH curation trail.
Again how we see the thing matters. I see by setting beneficiary I am just giving back to the community for at least bringing me the audience who "consumes" my content, curators.
Though I strongly believe this curation trail is of any worth. Nor are any bots. Hive is for real people not for curation trails and bots.
I really don't know if out of all the votes which I receive, how many have read my posts. There are very very less people who read my content out the "any votes" I am receiving.
Also, in general, from what I have seen, as per my experience, people vote and support their own communities and don't waste their votes on any other good post from others community.
Definition of the self vote can have different meanings. I have a different meaning. And it is up to me to see which definition I choose.
And these are my emotions and not at all about supporting or opposing anyone's claim here.
This is what I like about the freedom to choose meanings, they become handy when they are convenient. PH Fund would hardly be used to vote for posts that don't set their beneficiary to 50% even if anyone isn't coerce to do it, people are conditioned to think that setting 50% will raise their chances of getting the vote.
As an author, your content might have been given the visibility and a few eyes but that's just becoming a means to an end which is having their coffers filled. Your post became a tool to be exploited. It's no different than bribing each other to support one another. It's disingenuous because anyone who isn't submitting to the beneficiary game would be better off somewhere else playing the vote lottery. The 50% beneficiary is the raffle ticket.
HIVE used in promotion on PeakD, Ecency, etc. is burned, as in nobody gets it but @null.
When I boost or promote a post on ecency, I do get upvotes ( more ecency point, more the upvotes).
I don't see those upvotes if I am not using those features on ecency.
This is what my experience is?
Kindly update my knowledge on this.
I don't use Ecency. If you feel what they are doing is off, then try @dapplr or some other alternative. At least, they aren't "charging" you 50% to use their app.
There's a difference between incentives and highway robbery,
As far as I'm concerned, the promotional features on PeakD and various tribes all send the tokens to @null.
Robbery is robbery, big or small doesn't make any difference.
Similarly incentive is incentive....how big or small....
Maybe your 1% incentive is $50
Whereas my 50% incentive is $2
What is big, what is small?
What is this about 50%, what if it is 49% or 45% or 35% or 20%...or 10%...or 1%...
No one is forcing anyone.
Difference is, someone is profiting from your "payment" versus the fund is completely removed from circulation.
I guess you are thinking that I am getting a lot of upvotes from elsewhere and then those rewards which are mine are shared with 50% beneficiary?
But, i am new, I am building my contacts, I don't have much followers now....if what I am getting is only from PH curation trail.
I got your point but this is not the case here.
I have realised that......very few people upvotes the content from other community that they are not part of.
At the start when I joined hive, I posted many blogs....with no followers..... hardly anyone upvotes your content.
The thing which you are talking applies to people who gets a lot of upvotes from elsewhere organically and then sharing that 50% beneficiary will be like profiting from the " payment"
Thanks
I guess you are thinking that I am getting a lot of upvotes from elsewhere and then those rewards which are mine are shared with 50% beneficiary?
But, i am new, I am building my contacts, I don't have much followers now....if what I am getting is only from PH curation trail.
I got your point but this is not the case here.
I have realised that......very few people upvotes the content from other community that they are not part of.
At the start when I joined hive, I posted many blogs....with no followers..... hardly anyone upvotes your content.
The thing which you are talking applies to people who gets a lot of upvotes from elsewhere organically and then sharing that 50% beneficiary will be like profiting from the " payment"
Thanks