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RE: What do we want from content?

in #hive2 years ago (edited)

You're being too negative. Look around and you'll see quality content. It would be far more fruitful to focus on that than to write generic complaints like this.

There is both informative Hive-centric content here that will in time put more material about Hive out there to appear in Google searches and also quality material not about Hive. By the latter I mean, for example, the work of professional photographers like @paulmp, @kommienezuspadt, @axeman, @photovisions, @derangedvisions to mention a few. If you like photography, check out the Photography Lovers community. Pretty well-rewarded photographers can be found there, although some of them should be even better rewarded.

No offense, but I think this post is somewhat over-rewarded at $50.99 despite being a solid reminder of the importance of curation.

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Thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. I've got to say I've been a little discouraged about posting of late as I see inane and low effort posts get voted up and get rewarded with $50+ when high effort posts are barely getting $10-20. Now part of that is I should put more effort into not only creating content, but also in fostering a community... the other part is that what I consider to be good and high-effort content just doesn't seem to get valued here.

Hive is sort of interesting as it all depends on either being discovered by someone or building an internal audience. Imo that’s backwards. Your photos are amazing, there should be an incentive for how many eyes they draw. There should be an incentive for you to share your Hive blog with your followers elsewhere. The site should be so easy to use that they could enjoy your content here, without the need to understand blockchain technology.

All these aspects are what I’m trying to bring light to. It’s ok imo for people to build an internal audience, entertain and be rewarded for it.. but if we want to grow we need to incentivize bringing in an audience imo.

Content quality is subjective.. some of the most popular people on the internet make rubbish content, but they draw a crowd and therefore are valuable. We just need to find a balance or have parameters to know what is brining in the crowds.. and to encourage other creators to share their work to bring in crowds too.

I see inane and low effort posts get voted up and get rewarded with $50+ when high effort posts are barely getting $10-20

That may be a result of the week-long payout window. That could be partly solvable by using an SMT. Some sort of an arrangement could be made to give it value by exchanging it for the base layer tokens. Of course, you could do it by auto-posting placeholder comments once that could be voted in lieu of the actual post to be rewarded. But I wouldn't want the PoB mechanism to be distorted too much, which is why it would best be solved using an SMT or maybe a Hive-Engine token.

Also, some way to find old posts more easily would be needed.

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@paulmp, we would love to feature your high effort posts at the top of trending, we have a lot of voting power behind this project. Check this out:

https://peakd.com/hive/@trendthis/calling-all-authors-or-is-there-an-epic-blog-post-within-you

Pop into our discord: https://discord.gg/PkFUFMF and we can coordinate.

Why not just vote them then? Why does there need to be pre coordination? Just curious.

Only to discuss the strict requirements and timing, our discord is an open forum. No quid pro quo.

The post is at $50 due to me working on Hive full time behind the scenes for free, another issue with our set up.. content is the only way we can reward contributions.. when I could just shit posts daily, and contribute nothing behind the scenes, and actually make money. Sooooo there is not much incentive to contribute to the platform (which is the point here).

And this post isn’t negative, I know there is good content, I’ve curated it for years. My point is there is no incentive to bring eyes in and the “best” content is not seen.

Please don’t come lecture me when I’m here discussing how to improve things and get good authors an incentive to be here. This post is about getting feedback and starting a discussion. Appears I drew in an audience with it as well.. Ffs.. go bitch somewhere else about my rewards while you enjoy the contributions I’ve done.

Some really great points, that I think everyone should be asking at one time. I often view Hive similarly to patreon. A possbility of earning a continual stream of rewards (which I think is why autovotes are good). It is based on the "average" output for an author (both quantity and quality) and it can therefore happen that a low quality post gets high rewards because the past posts have been above average.

This is a difficult topic and I view this truly as an experiment to try and get answers to exactly to the questions you raised. We have to be patient and remember that there have already been many improvements to when steemit first launched. And probably we will make this a faster process when we talk and discuss about it (which is what you have done)

I'm not complaining your rewards in general. Only this post.

Without @justineh, we'd still be enjoying our $0.12 HIVE. She deserves more thanks than any of us can give. Her rewards "in general" are way,way lower than she deserves for what she has done for this place, so rewarding her highly on one post, for me, is a no brainer.

Without @justineh, we'd still be enjoying our $0.12 HIVE. She deserves more thanks than any of us can give. Her rewards "in general" are way,way lower than she deserves for what she has done for this place, so rewarding her highly on one post, for me, is a no brainer.

Then those concrete things she has done for the community should be communicated more clearly so that they can be a "no brainer" for others as well.

That's a fair point and I understand how it looks. It's difficult as I don't ask for votes and want to post freely, but also appreciate the compensation for the work I've done. I'm working on better ways to accomplish this.. as I most definitely would rather see high quality content on trending. Just I guess hits a nerve when I don't see others' rewards questioned. I apologize for my rudeness.

I've seen posts that were not that great rewarded all too well even here. But more than that type of posts, I've seen people get rewarded as they should. It's finally starting to work, thanks to the tireless efforts of the @ocdb folks and other curation teams.

But as @paulmp pointed out, there are posts that represent a lot of work done and that they should be rewarded better.

I'm working on better ways to accomplish this.. as I most definitely would rather see high quality content on trending. Just I guess hits a nerve when I don't see others' rewards questioned. I apologize for my rudeness.

Gladly accepted. I'm not exactly a paragon of great manners myself.

"...content is the only way we can reward contributions..."

No. HPS is massively funded for that very purposes.

Regarding paying people for their efforts: The SteemIt Inc stake was not burned, but rather put into a fund for paying people to do things.

I thought this was one of the interesting and positive things that happened in the split. While I know that stake isn't active until a HF takes place it would be a great way to solve the never ending problem of using the reward pool to fund "working".

Clearly you've done some excellent promotion, PR and likely more...
Do you see yourself creating an ongoing work proposal in the future?

I always had thought of the Fund for more hardcore development work and upgrades etc. I had no real intention to use it myself, but honestly had no intention to use the rewards pool either. After taking some feedback and discussion with community members I am considering typing up a retroactive proposal outlining my contributions and asking for possible compensation. I guess in my mind it’s much easier for me (And lazier perhaps) to just post occasionally and let stake holders reward me if they want, then I’m not “asking” for anything... but that also counters my own goals to reward good content here.. so it’s a bit of a conundrum. I personally think the rewards pool will still be used to reward contributions, but perhaps we need to work on finding that balance. And if it’s more beneficial for the community for me to just make a proposal documenting that, rather than posting randomly and then causing frustration, it’s something I should probably explore.

I’m currently trying to just gather documentation and timeline of contributions and try to determine my next step. I guess it doesn’t come natural to me, but I understand the frustration and think there is room for improvement.

Well, I hope you do put in a proposal and I would be excited to see non-development activities rewarded.

Clearly the early successes of Hive have been a group effort and until there is some respect for non-development type activities.. Meh.

Good job on the PR and Exchange work.

I would argue getting everyone talk about Hive was as important as any dev work that happened and getting on the exchanges was the most important piece of all.

I sincerely hope some people see that and reward it.