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last year in #neoxian by brofund (76)
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As someone from a poor country, I have to say Hive has changed my life. When I just joined Hive, I’d spend 5-6 hours behind my very shitty phone and engage about 30-50 posts daily. That was my effort and how I could sink myself into the community because I sure as hell had no money to buy and power up hive.
When I began to earn, I joined the Powerup but not always. Then fast forward, I started powering down my earnings to actually build something for myself which I did. And I give more time to the Hive Community (as much as I can anyway).
The reason I say this is, for people in worse situation than I am, you can’t expect their mindset to be the same. You can’t expect people whose “3000” is your “$2” to be able to survive by giving more than they have. While I get the whole “giveback” thing, these people (some of them at least) give their time. Hours of it. So, they earned that money and can decide what to do with it. But that’s just the way I see it. It’s different for different people.
And users should be valued, not scared away. Especially when it comes to users who do actually provide value. But that’s only me. Dictating and attacking people because they don’t suit your ideals and how you view the world, when you know nothing about them or where they come from, is not nice at all. But that’s just the way I see it.
We all have different views 😉
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The way I see it is that it is not about telling people what to do with their money. It is about being free to use your own stake to reward those who are not merely extracting everything they earn.
So the people that withdraw most of what they earn might earn a little less from people who think differently about what it means to be part of this old Hive thing.
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Half decent people will still get their upvotes and can indeed do what they want with their own dough, that's not going to change. They just might not get such big votes from some people. :O)
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How do you rate such a drain of extraction?
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I don't look at a subset. I look at overall HP relative to what has been earned
We always look with the glasses that fit our view, isn't it?
It seems to be the case!
The idea is false in general, because the starter of it, is doing the opposite, abusing the system. By delegating a huge chunk of his stake to a curation program, that pays in liquid Hive which he takes out, without appearing in the data, he gets much more out then the average Joe he is targeting.
We are just fooled to think that there is a problem with it.
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azicorn, look at his stake, and the amount he is taking out, but doing the way with the curation accounts, it does not show on chain and as a direct curation/posting win.
Apparently I'm going to have to find a reentry into Bro....
I took the money and ran about a year ago.... Maybe I need to get back in. I'm digging the frank discussion.
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Basically, We simply need to generate more demand for hive.
VSC could be a turning point, being able to have any and all the that lovely smart contract stuff over on eth, be on hive instead and cost nothing in TX fees could be a game changer.
It also adds the benefit of completely bypassing out awful signup process and onboarding process with not requiring hive accounts to use.
If games also start building on VSC as well it could really open up hive to being a power house. Might also make hive-engine pick up speed on developing more on it's side too. one can hope.
And my view on people pulling hive out. People can do as they please first and formost with I think everyone agrees with. But I'd always advise that you at least not cash out 100%. Leave a little to slowly grow IF possible, sometimes it's not always the case.
I'm a hive witness supporting the blockchain please consider voting for me.
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15% interest. 3.31% from HP, and probably 8-9% from "curation". And that doesn't even account for the DHF.
You'll need to generate a lot of demand from a platform that isn't growing its active users by 5% each year.
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I didn't read it like that. I think they are just saying they won't be voting. I don't think they are telling anyone else what to do with their stake. Now, based on their influence people may choose to follow suit, but ultimately no one is forced.
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It's definitely a slippery slope. I really respect your opinions on all of this that has played out.
I hope we don't get any downvotes against anyone selling HIVE. Hive's audience is still small, and every user is valuable.
I don't see anybody give downvotes to people that sell HIVE. It's not a bad thing. I do encourage giving preference and higher upvotes to accounts building HP and using it to decentralize the user base.
Look at this comment thread:
https://hive.blog/hive-126152/@luizeba/re-galenkp-2024827t18278215z
They cashed out to pay the mortgage and started getting downvoted. And then in the thread the downvoter says, "I'll stop downvoting if you power back up everything you powered down" - i.e. sell your house if you want to avoid being downvoted.
So people are absolutely being attacked for using their own money to pay debt.
In my opinion this is why the steem price is catching up with hive. There is less bullying on that platform, so less incentive to quit and sell everything.
Thanks for pointing this out. I never came across such a thing. I don't support downvoting people who sell, but that's unfortunately what this account decided to do.
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Yes, decentralization is everyone, even the sellers, but decisions (voting on content, proposals, witnesses) is done with Hive Power. I offer more support those build stake to participate in governance. Milkers are welcome to use the chain as they see fit; it's a free market like you say, but I will prefer to offer my support to people who participate by staking their HIVE. I won't downvote sellers; as I said, selling is not wrong. I just have a preference of what kind of Hive citizen I support.
Also, recent analysis by the likes of @azircon that demonstrates that MOST folks in the top 1,000 are, in fact, staking HP. He calls it the Krampus Coefficient. 84% of accounts are holding what they earn or a little more. So I disagree that holding is for the few.
There you have it. Explained in more details here
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Data presented properly never lies. Opinions these days are quite tricky. I therefore don't listen to opinions, just present the data. Then you can see the fact yourself.
Doesn't account for people getting liquid rewards for whatever game, curation stuff, etc.
This is just another form of narrative enforcement.
Never trust anyone who says they don't listen to opinions. Everybody does. It's a matter of whether you can support it with a tidbit of objectivity.