The editing of history bothers me a great deal. I am one of those that considers the burning of the Library of Alexandria as one of the worst catastrophes in human history. We have fragments of knowledge that escaped that and some of those fragments such as the few surviving works of Plato (when there were said to be many more) are works that still influence us to this day. How much of early history was stored there and documented and is lost? Could there have been historical documents and records that explain places like Gobekli Tepe and other amazing archaeological findings? Could there have been an explanation of how the antikythera mechanism could have existed at the time it apparently existed, and how did it end up on the bottom of the ocean? It is possible these answers were in the library of Alexandria and were lost. We will never know unless we invent time travel.
I have heard accounts of temples in Egypt and other parts of the world where a statue may be destroyed, a face intentionally removed, or certain glyphs on rocks having been scraped away in an attempt to erase that person from history. This leaves those of us that come later speculating and trying to solve these mysteries. I get angry thinking of the ignorance and ARROGANCE of humans and how we believe we should obliterate things from the past we don't like. Let us make certain that no one ever knows of this thing, or talks about it again.
There is that saying "Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it" yet it seems that when people seek to erase the history they don't like that they are making that doom more likely to come in the future. People that might have had an opportunity to learn from it do not even have that opportunity, because it is obscured.
Recently we have had ISIS bulldozing and destroying ancient temples from Mesopotamia, Babylon, and our ancient history. In their ignorance and arrogance they wish to wipe out the past when people believed differently than them. What does this leave? It leaves a void in the historical record.
This infuriates me when I see this idiocy and rampant marriage of ignorance and arrogance destroying the past. It cannot be recovered. Once it is done, it is gone. There are no take backs from these morons. I don't usually use such terms, but I consider it very fitting in this particular type of situation. I do not consider it an ad hominem attack here. It is a statement of fact as far as I am concerned.
It is actually worse than this. People may understand this and get outraged if they are not part of ISIS or ISIS sympathizers. They may say how bad this is. They may even agree with me on Alexandria, and all the past defacing and erasing of history.
Then we mention the Confederate Flag, statues of confederate generals such as Robert E. Lee, or other prominent members of the American past that they don't like. Suddenly, they are fine with destroying them, erasing them from history, banning any representation of them, etc. What they don't see is the pure hypocrisy in this. This is NO different from what ISIS and all of the other marriages of ignorance and arrogance have been doing in our history. It is erasing and editing history. ISIS is erasing memories from the past they don't like. Those banning the Confederate flag are doing the same thing with the same justification. It is not like the confederate flag suddenly makes someone a slave owner, or that a piece of cloth with colors on it forces someone to take an act. They don't have that kind of power or ability.
Video documenting racist past of the flag - still not a reason to ban anything.
I see this as an advancement of the SAFE SPACES doctrine which I personally find to be ludicrous and pure stupidity. It is attempting to remake reality into a fantasy ideal world. Let's pretend these things didn't exist, and didn't happen. Then it advances, let's wipe any trace of the fact it happened.
In the future maybe we will have none of these past lessons and figures from the past upon which to talk about lessons. Robert E. Lee? "Grandma, why are you angry about Robert E. Lee? I've never heard of him." Then grandma dies.
[Source: Wikipedia] - Ban my post, because I posted this image. Same concept, same ignorance and arrogant ideology.
The good or the bad lessons that might go with history are lost. Future generations are doomed to repeat things that we should have learned from the past. Why? The masses just had to have their safe spaces. They just had to virtue signal and show how GREAT they were because they destroyed some monument, or record of someone that did what they perceive as bad things sometime in the past. It offends them. Reality offends them. They should not have to EVER be offended or face things in reality that they find offensive. Just wait until what you do, say, or think offends them. We are allowing precedence to be set that it is okay to censor reality as long as someone with sufficient authority agrees that it is offensive.
Setting precedence is a slippery slope. You may be all excited and endorsing the erasing of history you don't like now. In doing so you are providing support for a mental/censoring/manipulative/fakehistory weapon that can be turned just as easily against things and ideas you like in the future. This power to censor should NOT exist, regardless of how offensive you find something. We learn from being exposed to offensive things just as much as we learn from non-offensive things. In fact, I'd even argue we might actually learn more from the offensive things.
That doesn't mean we need to FORCE the rest of the world to never expose us to offensive things.
Now to circle around. The Unite the Right Rally was not just white supremacists, it was not just racists. There were definitely some of that sort in that group. Yet, a lot of the people there were simply there to protest the recent demands to remove the statue of General Robert E. Lee. They didn't want history edited. This didn't mean they were confederates. It did not mean they were racists. It simply means they believe the history should remain available for all to study. It simply means that your right to put crosses on things, and put symbols and people you like on shirts is protected, and so should the right of other people to do the same.
The statue, the racism, Trump, mainstream media, etc did not cause the violence. That is looking for a scapegoat. That is people not taking responsibility for their own choices. That is blaming people rather than accepting guilt. When it comes to violence ultimately the choice to go that route is up to the individual. Can other sources influence them? Yes, most definitely. Yet what choice they make is not ultimately the fault of those influences. We are individuals and we must be responsible for our own choices, and the consequences of those choices.
That is another side effect of the safe space, virtue signalling, backwards world we are increasingly creating. We have an increasing number of people that seem unwilling or unable to take responsibility for the consequences of their own choice. It is the fault of anyone else but themselves.
This has to stop. If you make a choice. The consequences good or bad are YOUR responsibility and not someone else. If you don't believe this then that would logically indicate that you view yourself simply as a puppet and not an individual. Quit looking to blame people for choices you make. Own your mistakes, and your successes and LEARN from them.
Now I am going to be very blunt. If you can't handle profanity, please stop reading now.
Fuck Safe Spaces, Fuck Virtue Signalling, and Fuck anyone that wants to edit and erase history.
People need to grow the fuck up and face reality GOOD and BAD rather than trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
Could I have said that without using profanity? Yes. I didn't want to. Like I said Fuck Safe Spaces.
EDIT: One of several shares of this video. This one is from a Black Man named Anthony Brian Logan.
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I totally agree, however there is the strange case of the Vatican's secret library. Why is it so secret? Perhaps it contains the co called "lost" history that we all know is out there. Some speculate that what was burned in Alexandria was all the admin records and all sacred texts were taken back to Rome....things that make you go hmmmm. Great article.
I am not a fan of secret libraries, or government secrets. They should be public as far as I am concerned. The fact something needs to be made secret immediately indicates it is likely dicey/shady in one way or the other.
Well said. I also find it jarring that some European countries have laws about what "history" you can question.
Reminds me of that Voltaire quote, which may be mis-attributed: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
I often wonder about what types of machinery might have been described in the books destroyed at the burning of the Library of Alexandria. One passage in the Old Testament refers to a man creating machinery for war, but it's not really expanded on.
Nice this may be the first time I've heard that. Well said.
We have all sorts of evidence that has arisen showing maps of the coastlines of every continent including Antarctica well before they were said to be "discovered". We have evidence of Vikings, Phonecians, Egyptians, and others making it the the Americas way before Columbus supposedly "discovered" it. I often find myself wondering if how that is possible may have been in the documents at Alexandria.
So much was lost.
Yet the attitude that caused that loss still exists today. History should not be censored or edited, PERIOD.
@dwinblood We do have something in-between. I recently started a series on American history. I think the first one should be up your alley. It has a map which is now in the Library of Congress and a blow-up of a segment. If this does not put a smile on your face then come and get your money back.
Thanks. I read it, up voted it, and resteemed it... not all parts just your most recent, but keep it up. Good stuff, and useful information to be storing on the blockchain. Especially in this time where erasing history seems to be a thing that is in vogue.
"So much was lost" is right!
Myself, I am convinced that there is no curve, from experiments others have done which I have been able to repeat. I think the "Azimuthal Equidistant" map may be the right one. East-to-west circumnavigation works on that map, since the north pole is in the center, and thus as you're traveling east, you end up making minor course corrections the entire way so that you end up going in a circle, returning to where you started from.
Never in the course of history has anybody done a north-to-south circumnavigation -- and that's an important data point!
I believe they haven't made a north to south navigation primarily due to how dangerous the north and south poles are to most forms of travel. There are also not easy refueling locations for those.
I think that We must know our past to improve the present. Excellent post.
Yes, we must face the things from our past, distant, or close that we don't like or think were bad. We must learn from them. Erasing them is actually doing everyone a disservice.
I don't know of any art, statue, words, etc that take over my mind and suddenly turn me into a racist person who wants to own slaves. I also don't see any statues that make me suddenly decide to go and attack ISIS.
They are just things. They are input. What I decide to do with that input is up to me.
People destroying things and taking the choice away from myself and others to view that input is another type of input. It makes me very aware of those people that are forcing their world view upon me. It makes me think as I do with all history censors that the world would be a better place without them.
It really tests my belief in the NAP. If there has ever been a type of person I'd like to execute if it were not against my beliefs, then those who seek to obliterate and censor would be my first targets.
Most of the people who support the removal of the confederate history have no clue what it was actually about. It is much easier to scream about racism because it is something people can't defend. Who supports racism? Nobody with a brain. But unfortunately ignorant people can't get over the fact that the history of the southern U.S. represents a lot more than slavery. And I am not a southerner defending my home turf. I've lived my whole life in Pennsylvania. I simply paid attention in history class.
You know when I was a kid one of favorite TV show was the Dukes of Hazzard. Could you imagine if that show was created now? A hot rod with the confederate flag called the General Lee? What a shitstorm that would be.
I've lived in Colorado since I was 4. I am now 47. I get it. I am also extremely anti-racist. Yet I know you cannot fight racist, by being racist. I consider Black Lives Matter a racist organization. I happen to be a fan of Morgan Freeman's take on racism and agree with him completely.
And yeah, as a kid the Dukes of Hazzard was actually the only thing I ever thought of when I saw the confederate flag. :) People making a big deal about it made me dig into it further. Dukes of Hazzard wasn't promoting any racism that I remember.
I really respect Freeman for advancing that perspective. Wallace would have been pilloried if he had done the same. I would have liked to see Freeman and Ali debate the issue. Ali is overtly politically incorrect by today's standards but it is worth watching.
Yeah I've watched quite a bit of Ali. I like to imagine he might have changed his mind if he knew where things would end up today. Sadly, we are not prophets, just humans.
Thank you for posting this clip. If only people would listen to Morgan Freeman. He made me laugh out loud the way he schooled Wallace.
You notice how Wallace quickly fell back on 'Well I'm Jewish." That is a perfect example of what's wrong with people today. When Freeman challenged him about the need for a Black History Month, Wallace had no rationale, no counterpoint. He simply went to "I'm Jewish". What the hell does your religious beliefs have to do with this? Because you are jewish you understand the problems black Americans have faced? He just assumed Freeman was for Black History Month because Freeman is black. And Freeman caught him totally off guard by challenging the notion we need a separate month to celebrate black history.
We are all Americans. We are all in this together.
We are all human. This is a global problem. Yes, you and I are Americans, but some of the people here are not and they too are having to deal with similar situations.
That is true. I should have said we are all human. We have to share this planet together.
Just wanted to respond to your "nobody with a brain," because I see it completely the opposite of how the MSM portrays it.
Biology and human nature dictates that people want to be around people who:
Why is there a Chinatown in Boston?
Why did my Jewish friend go to a Jewish-only camp every summer?
It's the Jewish-run media that's pushing the multi-cultural revolution. They do that in every country they invade. (Not saying my friend is a part of that, although he has uttered some "chosenite"-type phrases...) They also push pornography and division -- if we're divided amongst ourselves including the family, then we can't clearly focus on the invaders.
Totally agree with your attitude on safe spaces. I somehow fear it's more than some nut-jobs finding issues with a statue or a flag. MSM is right behind them and amplifies whatever stupid idea they come up with. Look how colleges accommodate every crazy demand. "You're upset Trump won, here's your safe space, have some crayons, have a cuddle". I've never heard of a college taking a hardline approach, like we don't care you're butt-hurt by Trump's win, your paper is still due tomorrow. All these young (mental) liberals are actively encouraged to demand more and more - no wonder they take their fantasies for real.
As for re-writing history - I grew up under a Communist regime and most of the history we learned in school was fake. Decades later many people still believe that fake history they learned in school...
Have you done a post on that? If you have I'd like a link, if you haven't then you should and I still want a link. :)
No, I haven't. Thanks for suggesting it. Will send a link, promise!
We learn from history and past mistakes.If they are erased,then the children of the future are doomed to repeat them!
It bothers me too. Robert E. Lee is still widely regarded as a genius on the battlefield winning most of his battles against Northern armies that were far superior in size and guns.
His theories of war and tactics are still studied in war college for Generals of today. Unfortunately, the praise for these generals at the War College has been under attack for a long time. The last I remember, they were really struggling with pulling RObert E. Lee out.
What I learned from Robert E. Lee was his critical mistakes, just as you have indicated Deva. My analysis and understanding of the Civil Ware indicates that Lee was a superior General who was WINNING the war for the South...
They just ran out of ammo.
Hence Lee's big mistake that we can still learn from today. Lincoln's blockades worked, and the south ran out of ammo. This is the importance of logistics...
AND MAY THAT LESSON NEVER
EVER
Be forgotten.
Sherman is another one regularly studied from that time period. Germany's Rommel aka The Desert Fox in WW2 was known to have heavily studied Sherman.
Plus Robert E. Lee actually spoke against slavery, and freed some slaves. Not all confederates were in the war due to slavery.
You did that very well. Started with stuff any sensible person could agree with (ISIS destroying and defacing the past - like the Taliban before them ironically)
Then you equate it with Americans wanting to get rid of Confederate statues. You know, like those two things are equivalent.
They aren't.
Trust and believe, getting rid of those statues will in no way cause Americans to forget the atrocities their ancestors were subjected to by the institution of slavery. Destroying a statue of Robert E Lee or whichever slaver general will not cause him to be forgotten. He is not worshipped, he is not a tourist attraction, his statue is not the sole connection to him or his time. We have history books for that.
It has nothing to do with Safe Spaces and everything to do with not letting white supremacist lunatics be comfortable and inspired.
Trump has it right on this statement stuff. He wants the facts, the media does give a shit about the facts. Very good post very good video choice. How many people realize that the swastika is a symbol of love, peace, life, and tracker of this and that. there is so so many meanings of the swastika, yet the only meaning anyone places on it is the symbol of hate. lets re-write more history, maybe if the precious little snowflakes, and those oh so precious buttercups, may one day get the history re-written to the point it makes sense to them. (yeh when hell freezes over).
Actually, as I recall, the Nazi swastika was actually a mirror-reversed version of the original swastika which was some flavour of Asian (Tibetan, I think. Or was it Hindu) It was that original version that was a symbol of love, peace, life and etcete-fucking-ra.
Thus, therefore the NAZI SWASTIKA was and is in fact a symbol of hate.
EDIT: decided to do a little research rather than relying on memory as above. Turns out the Nazi verion is actually tilted 45 degrees. Thanks.
I'm looking at things from what I believe to be a different angle. What if the destruction of things that people deem offensive to be a type of"Tabula Rasa" which is to the epistemological idea that individuals are born without built-in mental content and that therefore all knowledge comes from experience or perception. Aristotle writes about this in De anima (On the Soul), in the 4th century bce. If you erase/destroy all alternative experiences and ideas to what is not conguent to the official accepted narrative, you have a population of people who are willing to believe everything those in power show or tell them. It's in the Marxist hand book with Marx, Mao Tse Tung (and some would also argue Antifa) using this technique to bolster their followers.
If you want to go back even further in time, you can go back as far as the Egyptians who destroyed the name and likeness of anyone that they disagreed with from the statues and monuments. I don't see any difference with Egypt and what is happening in the US over the last little while.
Yes, I believe this is what is happening. I also see the SAFE SPACE movement as a new tool in this arsenal.
I'm pretty sure I made reference to that in my post.
So are you saying you advocate such behavior? I am unclear from your response.
Like you, the editing of history bothers me a great deal. I'm known to keep the original hard copies of books just in case they are altered and have rescued many tomes from the trash.
As the saying goes:
When you want to know about the future, look in the past and it will tell you!
Unless the past has been erased. :) Then looking in the past doesn't teach you much.
I suspect both George Sorearse and the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS) have the same agenda in mind and a good battle with lots of morons throwing balloons full of piss at other morons is perfect!
I agree with you sir that truth should be presented in its truest form,but is there still truth..? Since man is the measure of all things. Stuffs becomes true when we say they are,and we say they are when they are of intrest to us. The media, the church musque family etc. All intrest based truth.
Nicr one @dwinblood.
@arizonawise
I agree with you on almost all of what you said. Right now I am busy prepping for what I am seeing coming, yes I do see a 2nd civil war coming... Sharing for others!
Welp I am all in favor of not canceling out any arguments just because you disagree, leads to all the problems we see and so on.
I disagree with the generalization you make. That Statue was no idea. It is also not the only source of imagery we have as you demonstrated. I just realized image must be derived from imagine... interesting. Anyways if people want the statue they should have it, if they don't then they should not.
We live on dead history, you can't prevent things from dying/changing. Destruction is necessary for creation. I just feel like the craft of destruction gets a really bad rep nowadays. As someone who is really talented in it, it feels pretty bad. At least I can get money for trying to destroy software made by shoddy devs ;)
Sure destruction of information is (almost) never a good thing. But on the material level, just because someone build something a few hundred years ago does not mean it automatically has earned the right to be preserved.
Actually the same is true for philosophy, I feel like too many get credit just for being old. I don't want to destroy the ideas of Kant and others in a way that nobody has access to them, but so that people can see that at least some of what he said was pretty stupid. Often ideas are rather untouchable because of the big historic names behind them.
Destruction is easy. Even children grasp destroying things fairly early in their life.
Making things takes quite a bit more effort, and skill.
Also there are plenty of people that want those statues to remain.
I am not in favor of destroying knowledge, or creations especially if they have historical significance. That historical significance doesn't have to be to ME. I believe people are really arrogant when they decide what will be important to other people now and FOREVER. For many such destructions will be the last that is ever seen. If there was not some document on how it was constructed, what it looked like, etc It will just be gone.
We also have a lot of places hiding or concealing archaeological findings because they don't fit the established narrative taught in history.
They still teach that Columbus discovered America in 1492 here in the U.S. thought that is pretty obviously not true. We've found a lot of evidence that numerous Europeans and African nations made it here long before he did.
So let's just destroy that or hide it. That is the EASY button.
I am not an advocate of taking the easy path. Destruction generally is the easy path.
Now there are exceptions of course where destruction is necessary, yet I believe it is pretty clear in my post what I was referring to.
The idea of Columbus being a great guy who discovered America is destroyed as soon as you look into Columbus for a few minutes.
You know the law of conservation of mass? It pretty clearly states that nothing can be created out of thin air, so for every creation you need an equal destruction.
Like I said, this is a plausible reason to defend the statue. Doesn't really matter if the statue was build 200 years ago or 200 days ago.
And just because children do something it does not make it immature or easy. Children are also drawn to creation, see sandcastles ie. Why do you think children seem to have an urge to destroy? Do you think there is some evil in every human that has to suppressed?
I don't think you do. You are very often talking about all the unjust systems out there. You are destroying the mainstream narrative by showing that their arguments are invalid.
Your highest goal is to get rid of the state which is obviously a destructive process. You also rarely talk about the specific rules you want to create to make make a better society. Even I, the Herald of Destruction, asked you to more constructive from time to time :P
You know this goes back to western vs eastern dualism, right? Western Philosophers often see dualism as a compromise between two opposing sites, however eastern philosophy describes dualism as nothing being purely good or evil . Everythinng has upsides and downsides and is up to the human to decide if he is willing to endure the downsides to enjoy the upsides.
The false narrative many history books present is also a creational process.
I wrote something abouts Marx concept of the alienation of production btw. I think it is something Libertarians see as well. Homesteading seems to be directly realted to this idea.
Would love to get your opinion on that idea of Marx.
Will see what I can do as far as looking at this hopefully sometime today. We did some pretty major edge facing firewall swaps last night for our corporate network last night, still working on plugging any issues that may arise due to the change.
Oh and I guess I am the Angel of death as well. @elfspice is dead. It seems like every time I mention someone to you he gets killed. FeelslikeinmyearlychildhoodwherethatgirldiedafterIconfessedmylovetoher
Well certainly being down voted to oblivion, yet here that doesn't actually mean dead. Especially considering that wasn't even close to their only account.
Well he said he wanted to change to his @calibrae alt, but that is dead as well.
I don't know him well , but I felt like he was not treated fairly. Maybe I just love it too much to side with the underdogs, I don't know.
I've always stood up for underdogs as well. I also believe strongly in free speech.
The name Black Pigeon does not sound familiar. I will check it out some time today.
Sorry @dwinblood but I think that battle is already lost.
The Confederate States were attempting to secede not take over the Union. And yet, history books call it the American Civil War. If I'm not mistaken, the Union pushed the Confederate States into firing the first shots of the war too. The War of Northern Aggression wasn't about slavery, anyone who has read Lincoln's speeches should realize that.
I believe what we're seeing is an astroturf "color revolution" being funded by George Soros in order to cash in on his shorting the US Stock Exchange. And he owns enough American politicians to maybe pull it off.
Yes, this has all the hallmarks of a Soros color revolution thusfar, including the money trail...
Great words... Kindly follow back
But MY choice is to force my world views on you and everyone else, or I can't know that I am morally and intellectually superior to you
now shut up, racist!
/derpist
Yep... which is why I referred to it as a marriage of ignorance and arrogance. :)
A marriage of willful ignorance: it takes a strong commitment to stupidity to declare that logic and math are racist
a derpist is one that derps on a consistent basis
I am Cornholio! You will name your baby Bungholio! Is he an albino? Holio Bungholio... will be albino... and a gringo....
You were created and choose instead to make it a mystery... Because the truth was so awful that they seeded the atmosphere with aluminum to make you forget... the ice tells the truths!
Yet sadly the Ice can tell us nothing about destroyed monuments, buildings, writings, and other things that no longer exist. It can tell us of the atmosphere at various times, and give us views into catastrophic events. It cannot replace destroyed artifacts and knowledge. It cannot replace the lessons that could have been learned from the presence of those destroyed things.
I don't know. I think we're doomed to repeat history no matter what we do. I'll bet that what you're saying in this post echoes what some people were saying when the Library of Alexandria was destroyed.
It seems to me there will always be those who want to erase what they don't like and hide their heads in the sand, and those who want to face reality and gain understanding. Technology has advanced but people are pretty much the same.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't speak your mind though. There will always be people who want to destroy, but as long as there are those who speak up, they can't destroy everything, and some of what is destroyed can be recreated or recorded.
I think the Egyptians might have been on to something, building huge monuments from massive blocks of stone. Hard to erase that, and they still may hold undiscovered secrets about our history.
And now, again, we have started storing our history in a massive chain of interconnected blocks. History repeating again?
If you like plato, you can also probably appreciate why socrates didnt write a word, and why reccord of knowledge doesnt matter that much :)
What matter is cultivation of the spirit , "care of the soul" as plato would say it, and capacity of adapation of thinking and actualisation of thinking to solve everyday problem, to cultivate curiousity, and desire for improvment :)
Doesnt necessarily need whole libraries and ancient hieroglyph for this.
You didnt even mention hilter burning books btw :)
But one can have acess to all knowledge of the world, and still doing the same mistake because of ignoring it, not understanding it, or can avoid being an assholes without reading about whole history of disasters.
Its what socrates demonstrate with meno paradox, the spirit can already know truth from lie and good from bad without being taught about it.
I didn't mention Hitler, Catholic Church, and many different cases of book burning. My purpose wasn't to list every example. That is not needed for the purpose of what I was writing the article. A few examples should have been sufficient. You could fill several books with specific examples. Yes, that is pretty sad.
Socrates was cool. He wasn't god. Because, he believed a thing doesn't mean I agree. ;)
Without recorded knowledge we would not have most of the things we have. Most ideas we have today are built off of many other ideas before them.
Socrates lived in a much simpler time when it was actually possible for a human to know EVERYTHING that was known at the time. That hasn't been possible for a very long time.
So unless you want to do away with say this tech we're using to talk on, and go back to just a simple time and similar tech to when Socrates lived then yes, recorded knowledge matters.
Im not sure knowledge of 3000 years ago of people living in very different society would help much to solve the problems we are facing today.
I still think when human mind think about same problem in same maner they will always come up with similar solution, otherwise they would be no consensus over mathematics.
If the solution to our problems was already thought before, we will come up with same solutions in the future.
There is no reason why solutions found in those ancient time cannot be found again if they are what we need.
I believe most of the essential was kept over sumarized by great thinkers of their time, its a bit information darwinism, what is useful or good is kept over, things that are useless are forgotten, and there are always historian to keep the useful things around, and thinker to summarize the useful bits in synthized form to be passed over, and people to learn or express them when they are needed or useful to solve their problem, or to find them again when they are needed.
Im more progressive than conservative i guess.
I'm an individual. ;) I don't identify with either of those. In fact in this day and age those labels are rather meaningless. :) They mean vastly different things depending upon who you speak to.
The way our minds operate is similar to the past and that indeed would be useful. Yet thinking is not the same thing as knowledge. The presence of a tool does not define everything that can be made with that tool.
Im not too much into worshiping information graveyards :)
The end of history is, alas, also the end of the dustbins of history. There are no longer any dustbins for disposing of old ideologies, old regimes, old values. Where are we going to throw Marxism, which actually invented the dustbins of history? (Yet there is some justice here since the very people who invented them have fallen in.) Conclusion: if there are no more dustbins of history, this is because History itself has become a dustbin. It has become its own dustbin, just as the planet itself is becoming its own dustbin. - jean baudrillard
http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0113.html
History is our lost referential, that is to say our myth. It is by virtue of this fact that it takes the place of myths on the screen. The illusion would be to congratulate oneself on this "awareness of history on the part of cinema," as one congratulated oneself on the "entrance of politics into the university." Same misunderstanding, same mystification. The politics that enter the university are those that come from history, a retro politics, emptied of substance and legalized in their superficial exercise, with the air of a game and a field of adventure, this kind of politics is like sexuality or permanent education (or like social security in its time), that is, posthumous liberalization.
The great event of this period, the great trauma, is this decline of strong referentials, these death pangs of the real and of the rational that open onto an age of simulation. Whereas so many generations, and particularly the last, lived in the march of history, in the euphoric or catastrophic expectation of a revolution-today one has the impression that history has retreated, leaving behind it an indifferent nebula, traversed by currents, but emptied of references. It is into this void that the phantasms of a past history recede, the panoply of events, ideologies, retro fashions-no longer so much because people believe in them or still place some hope in them, but simply to resurrect the period when at least there was history at least there was violence (albeit fascist), when at least life and death were at stake. Anything serves to escape this void, this leukaemia of history and of politics, this haemorrhage of values-it is in proportion to this distress that all content can be evoked pell-mell, that all previous history is resurrected in bulk-a controlling idea no longer selects, only nostalgia endlessly accumulates: war, fascism, the pageantry of the belle Žpoque, or the revolutionary struggles, everything is equivalent and is mixed indiscriminately in the same morose and funereal exaltation, in the same retro fascination. There is however a privileging of the immediately preceding era (fascism, war, the period immediately following the war-the innumerable films that play on these themes for us have a closer, more perverse, denser, more confused essence). One can explain it by evoking the Freudian theory of fetishism (perhaps also a retro hypothesis). This trauma (loss of referentials) is similar to the discovery of the difference between the sexes in children, as serious, as profound, as irreversible: the fetishization of an object intervenes to obscure this unbearable discovery, but precisely, says Freud, this object is not just any object, it is often the last object perceived before the traumatic discovery. Thus the fetishized history will preferably be the one immediately preceding our "irreferential" era. Whence the omnipresence of fascism and of war in retro-a coincidence, an affinity that is not at all political., it is naive to conclude that the evocation of fascism signals a current renewal of fascism (it is precisely because one is no longer there, because one is in something else, which is still less amusing, it is for this reason that fascism can again become fascinating in its filtered cruelty, aestheticized by retro). - jean baudrillard
Destruction of temple or old monuments is more concerning, because they still add something to the now because they are pretty, have economic value for tourism etc but not especially for the information of the worship of 1000 year ago which i doubt can help much with our problem of today.
Even the fascists dont seem to have lot of imagination nowdays, still waving the flags of the past, their motion is already stillborn :p
Well i would like the Zuma reign in South Africa just to disappear.
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