Hi @wil.metcalfe. I'm responding to your tag.
This idea that @hivewatchers are some form of centralized police, judge, jury and executioner is simply not correct. They are just another Hive account that has the right to upvote and downvote as they wish.
They don't even have that much HP behind their votes.
They are not a Whale and are barely an Orca (including with delegations).
If people chose to follow their voting trail that's the personal choice of the other account owner (which they presumably based on how good or bad a job they think Hivewatchers is doing).
The Hivewatcher bots that look for and highlight plagarism are not perfect but it just posts a comment alerting other users and it is up to the individual Hive user to review the Hive post and the material the bot thinks its copied from and determine for themselves whether the content deserves an upvote or a downvote or nothing.
This is how Hive works. Large numbers of individual decisions to up or down vote using their HP stake determines the final payout of the post.
Hivewatchers has no special powers or role on Hive. It is just another account that can do what it likes with its HP.
Anyone can create a blacklist and anyone can choose to follow or not follow it.
The Hivewatchers project is supported by the vast majority of the community including major whales, witnesses, and stakeholders. If we stopped receiving support, we would stop the work right away.
@apshamiltion @wil.metcalfe
It's quite peculiar that the attacks/criticism that we get is almost entirely either comes from scammers or those revolving around the @deepdives "community". Self-appointed, fake, wannabe "investigative journalists" who exploit the Hive ecosystem to perpetuate lies and dangerous disinformation such as qAnon, flat earth propaganda, NWO reptilian Illuminati, anti vaxxing, plandemic/5G, climate change denial, far-right extremism, homophobia, racism, etc.
They call themselves investigative journalists while all they do is posting the Karen/Kevin style of nonsense that they read on Facebook.
They do their "own research" (which basically means reading nonsense on Facebook or dubious conspiracy hypothesis articles and pseudoscience content)
Investigative journalism takes months and sometimes many years of work on the case. It applies principles of the scientific method in the investigation. It is scrutinous and almost always requires traveling and on-the-ground research and investigation. It is very detailed, time-consuming, and hardworking,
Deep Dives ridiculous nonsense has nothing to do with Investigative Journalism.
They actually often have no clue what the scientific method is and refuse to apply it, including applying it to their own thought process.
I do not support this statement. We don't need gatekeepers on Hive telling people what to they can post. Downvote if you want but acting as some sort of official entry on Hive is something you are not. While HW has done a lot of good, all of that can be erased by the way you're acting now. I suggest you stick to plagiarism/scams, if you want to get political you'll never get my support ever again.
Bravo!
Thank you for the best comment of the day!
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Ditto what @theycallmedan said.
That's what we stick to. Plagiarism.
We have no political agenda.
Those above replies were responses and criticism of Deep Dives was out of personal frustration after a persistent campaign of trolling and spreading of lies about Hivewatchers by a few of its members.
You shouldn't have an opinion on the content posted in Deep Dives. If it's original, that's all you should care about.
I defended @hivewatchers above on the basis that you were just tackling plagarism and spam and its your right to upvote or downvote as you like.
However your response above suggests you have a political agenda that is certainly NOT shared by all major whales, witnesses and stakeholders.
Your DHF Proposal makes no mention of political activity and I and many others would be quite concerned if you were using DHF community funds to push a political agenda. That would be misleading and deceptive conduct.
Please clarify your position to the Hive community.
Is Hivewatchers just about stopping plagarism, spam and actual scams or is it attacking political opinions its operators disagree with?
It's political... MAN!
And the person running the outfit has skeletons in his own closet.
Political agenda?
Yeah right.
And what's that supposed political agenda of Hivewatchers appear to be?
Clearly, you see an agenda and conspiracy in anything that dares to criticize the ridiculous worldview of those hanging around "Deep Dives". No wonder you are in that community.
Hivewatchers ignore this community. There is no point in engaging with the mentally ill. It is better to let them be in their hopeless echo chamber.
-logic
It is not the job of Hivewatchers to criticise the worldview of anybody! Certainly not when it is getting community money from the DHF.
Its stated purpose from the beginning and what it represents to the Hive community in its DHF proposal is that it goes after plagarism (copyright breach), scams (fraud) and spam.
It is supposed to be dealing with content that is actually illegal.
That's it.
The fact that you are personally attacking and labelling me for calling for Hivewatchers to stick to its mandate and not get involved in political agendas shows that there is a problem here.
It is a personal opinion (share with some others). Whole Deep Dives (that you support and hang around) is full of degenerates or mentally ill who were banned on different social media and forums for spreading lies, dangerous misinformation, and instigating to violence and crime. The whole community is full of qAnon shills, neo nazis, far-right extremists, terrorist sympathizers, different authoritarian regime toadies, flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, Info Wars shills, Reptilian Illuminati NWO shills, etc.
The Hive ecosystem has been struggling to market itself as a legit and safe place to blog. Deep Dives has been undermining the struggle.
Because of Deep Dives, the Hive is seen as a degenerate magnet.
Anyway, the content of Deep Dives is not Hivewatchers issue. The moral quality of the content moderation is not its scope.
The only exception is when HW acted for moral reasons if when pedophilia was included in the posts.
Failure to respect the opinions of others here on Hive, especially mine on DeepDives, which are informed by educated reading, makes you sound like a misinformation shill.
"like a misinformation shill"
A typical reply from a scientifically illiterate yoga hippy.
Take your "healing" crystals, Reiki, and put your tinfoil hat back on.
I recommend the documentary "Behind the Curve" on Netflix.
It perfectly explains the state of your cognition.
Btw, referring to your retarded, pseudoscientific, hippy anti-vaxxer/covid Hoax lies that you keep posting on your blog after you copied the info from FB Karens.
I have had 2 shots of the vaccine already and have has not a single symptom.
The same with my parents, aunt, and my brother.
No significant symptoms just as 99.99999% of hundreds of millions of users from all over the world who have already been vaccinated.
EDIT:
Oh, I see that you are not just a yoga blissful zombie hippy but also a white supremacist, neo nazi, racist clown:
https://hive.blog/hive-110786/@julescape/the-kalergi-plan-to-eradicate-the-white-race-from-the-eu-and-usa-by-refugee-influx-is-a-100-year-old-plot-whose-time-has-come
Yes, Karen. You did your own research :-)
It is worse than someone shilling for neo nazism and Mein Kampf.
Stand and deliver!
Sorry @logic, you fail the rationality test. I write for Deep Dives and my opinion is the opposite of HW, and you so you appear to be the problem by your comment above which is abusive and criminal.
ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT
Okay, so your business model is to get paid to identify plagiarism, for example. As far as you discover an original text outside of Hive, i.e. on the web, with a release on Hive as being the same, you are acting. The question is, however, whether your action does not also involve an abuse of the reward pool, since you do not really seem to be interested in clarifying the facts, as this case illustrates well.
If you classify something as plagiarism and consider the original content publisher to have been cheated, then your course of action should be: You contact the presumed originator and point out to him that a publication on Hive seems to match his content from him, ask whether it is his content and whether the release on Hive is wanted or not wanted. You have to wait for the answer.
The fact that in this case - and in all others? - seems to be derived from your business model, since you only seem to act within the Hive sphere.
In fact, this would also be very time-consuming and you could not assume that you would be rewarded for contacting a presumed victim.
So, in principle, it can be assumed that your interest in stopping plagiarism incidents is reduced to this sphere, that you have nothing to do with original authors outside of Hive, and that you are therefore relying on a model that enables you to act as Hive police who are both judge and enforcer.
Personally, I have nothing against setting up a business model that detects plagiarism, it is up to everyone whether they support what you are doing.
But I think it's excessive and self-righteous to act ideologically like so:
Since you presumably use automatic mechanisms to do the work of finding plagiarism for you, you could be accused, as you accuse others, of making your cut with the help of modern technology. Just because you enrich it with questionable ideological speech and make a little more work for yourselves than those who dispense with interaction altogether does not make you better or good people.
I still appreciate that you show your intentions and do not hide them. This makes it transparent for the reader to decide whether to support you or not.
"Since you presumably use automatic mechanisms to do the work of finding plagiarism for you, you could be accused, as you accuse others, of making your cut with the help of modern technology. Just because you enrich it with questionable ideological speech and make a little more work for yourselves than those who dispense with interaction altogether does not make you better or good people."
Please, stop repeating this lie over and over again.
You know very well that all our work is done manually.
There is no efficient automatic tool to find most of the plagiarism-scam.
Cheetah (when we were still able to afford it) was only detecting basic plagiarism in English.
Sure, if you know such an effective automatic tool, then you are welcome to tell us. We would more than happy to use it.
Just don't bring examples of these useless online plagiarism tools that are out there.
P.S. ignoring my other considerations shows that you looked only for the weak point in my response, which it was, I admit.
I don't know you at all. I just checked your recent posts before I commented on you.
You are telling me, all is manually? Fine. I assumed something else. It's a difference between assuming something and telling a blunt lie.
I accuse you of being a criminal!
How bout that?
I agree with you.
This statement is very very concerning. Makes me very worried about the future of @hivewatcher project.
What @apshamilton wrote seems much more correct
HW got personal and started offending my posts on Deep Dive in a comment above, and so they fail in their duty and should be reprimanded for trying to be the thought police.
"Self-appointed, fake, wannabe "investigative journalists" who exploit the Hive ecosystem to perpetuate lies and dangerous disinformation such as qAnon, flat earth propaganda, NWO reptilian Illuminati, anti vaxxing, plandemic/5G, climate change denial, far-right extremism, homophobia, racism, etc."
Sorry dude you fail. Get off your socio-political high horse fool. You are not in a position to censor opinions like those on DeepDives or anywhere on Hive based on your OPINION of what is right or wrong politically or socially. You idiot. You have shown your stupidity in this statement and are unqualified or uninformed to comment on these subjects as if you know better. Your OPINION in yours alone so it's time you grow up and act like an educated adult. We are adults here on Hive buddy. Your style of nonsense does not belong here.