Adam and Eve were perfectly capable of having offspring in the Garden, otherwise the commandment to be fruitful and multiply would be completely meaningless and God does not contradict Himself.
Also, after the fall, God says to Eve: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly MULTIPLY thy sorrow and thy conception; in SORROW thou shalt bring forth children... (Gen. 3:16 KJV) - thus, conception was possible before the fall, but was a more rare event, and childbearing seems to have been much less painful.
The childlike state of Adam was not permanent, and God wanted to educate him Himself, as Adam was God's son, bearing the title as a direct personal creation of God. "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" (Gen. 3:11 KJV) - the question is who; it does not preclude the possibility of Adam's learning about it from his Creator later.
this really is an eye opener, it logically explains the account of creation.
Wow! Excellent response to the Adam and Eve allegory. This is an interesting conversation on both sides. Does beg the question of free will. Before or after the apple? Thanks for the thinking point. 🐓🐓
Hey, didn't expect to see you here @mother2chicks :)
Are you here to find out what came about first, the hen or the egg? :D
I'm still working on the next CC, btw ;)
Yes, here this morning trying to figure out life in general. Got to keep an eye on you. Think you will have this chicken/egg thing worked out before me. Lol! Good day to you my friend! 🐓🐓
Good night friend, - for me, as I'm in Asia right now.
The hen was first though, I've had this figured out for awhile now :)
Cluck-cluck!
His post carries weight though, most of it makes sense but you are 100% correct. God won't set us up to fail.
Agreed.
A lot of excellent points made here. I am inclined to agree with abcdoctor though on this one. Good case for some conversation. Thanks. 🐓🐓
cluck-cluck :)
Agreed. We were immortal before.
OK, how, by your logic, does this conception occur when only after partaking of the fruit and their eyes are opened, is there a need for aprons?
...and, who was born there?
The fact that no one was born in the Garden does not mean childbirth was impossible; it was possible, there simply wasn't enough time.
I don't follow how the need for covering after the fall proves anything in this case.
The original plan was for mankind to be fruitful and multiply in their un-fallen state, - only then could they perfectly image their Creator in their subduing of the rest of the Earth - the expansion of the Garden of Eden.
Are you suggesting that God's plan was frustrated and that the adversary won because of something an omniscient God did not foresee?
That seems far less palatable to me than that the fall was foreseen and planned for all along, In fact the fall was a crucial aspect of the plan.
I absolutely agree with that one; known unto God are all His works from the beginning of creation. Yet, God glorifies Himself despite the disobedience of the vessels He chooses to use, eventually bringing them to an even better state of usefulness/spiritual fitness.
The story of the birth of the nation of Israel is a mess; Joseph was sold into slavery; David sinned with Bathsheba, etc, etc.
I believe when God gives a commandment, He provides everything needed for its carrying out, along with the commandment.
I'm reminded of Israel's rejection of Christ at this point. He came unto His Own, His Own received Him not... Yet Jesus wept over Jerusalem, and rebuked the nation for not recognizing the hour of her visitation. Any such emotions and rebukes wouldn't make sense if there was no viable offer of the Kingdom, and a real possibility of Israel's accepting the offer.
I believe this discussion comes very close to, or even becomes, a dispute on the subject of election and that is one of the most controversial topics in theology.
Blessings.
Good story @gavvet